What if the world could vote?

[gatoratoy227]

i like the topic, but in my opinion, if the world could vote.................. the human race would have died from a mass extcinction many centries ago

but thats my opinoin, usually caused by the altered reality i bought off of Ebay, its working so far

['97ventureowner]

Not being much of a political debater, I saw a different angle at this thread. We all know The United States' image among other countries has suffered in recent years. One possible way to improve that image and get us "back on track" is to have a leader with whom other countries find positive. We might have a better chance of repairing our image if we had a leader that other countries prefer. To those that say,"Who cares what other countries think about us?" just think for a moment that , that very thought got us into the situation we are currently in. The world has evolved a lot in the past 50 years or so, and the economies of most countries are more global. We rely on so many other countries now than in the past, whereas other countries once relied on us. Having that imperialistic view doesn't sit well with other countries and can do a lot to harm one's image. Countries will need to work together in the coming years to solve the many issues that are currently in place( economies, climate change, population, etc.). Having a leader that the world sees in "a good light" can further advance the coming together of and working with other countries to solve these problems.

[Toksin]

Originally Posted by '97ventureowner

Not being much of a political debater, I saw a different angle at this thread. We all know The United States' image among other countries has suffered in recent years. One possible way to improve that image and get us "back on track" is to have a leader with whom other countries find positive. We might have a better chance of repairing our image if we had a leader that other countries prefer. To those that say,"Who cares what other countries think about us?" just think for a moment that , that very thought got us into the situation we are currently in. The world has evolved a lot in the past 50 years or so, and the economies of most countries are more global. We rely on so many other countries now than in the past, whereas other countries once relied on us. Having that imperialistic view doesn't sit well with other countries and can do a lot to harm one's image. Countries will need to work together in the coming years to solve the many issues that are currently in place( economies, climate change, population, etc.). Having a leader that the world sees in "a good light" can further advance the coming together of and working with other countries to solve these problems.

Well said

[drunken monkey]

I wonder who the Chinese Government wants to win?

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

I wonder who the Chinese Government wants to win?

What do the Chinese newspapers say? Aren't they state owned and run?



New Zealand

Very interesting. On the issue of elections in New Zealand if I were a Labour Party supporter I'd be worried and less about the U.S. Presidential election unless it directly affects me, my family, business or employer or the issues that count. It looks like the National Party (conservatives) is ahead in the polls by 14%.

October 25, 2008
IT'S just two weeks until almost three million New Zealanders head to the polls in what is shaping up as a much closer contest than initially predicted.

People who only a month ago were writing off the ruling Labour Party are having to rethink their predictions, as the political deals that could decide the new government start to take shape.

"This is a very, very close election campaign," Prime Minister Helen Clark said recently, even though a poll showed Labour trailing the National Party by 14 per cent.

"It is clear the centre-Left voters, if you take Labour and Greens together, is pretty much level pegging with National and ACT," she said.

The election of the conservatives on November 8 could herald big changes to New Zealand, seen as among the world's most progressive countries.

The leader of the main opposition National Party, John Key, said he would not repeal the country's social policies if he won, but would rethink extending the so-called Scandinavian model embraced by the Clark Government.

That model is characterised by strong welfare provisions, government regulations and progressive social views.

"The Scandinavian model we see as being a comprehensive extension of the state and that really runs against our core principles, which are that we believe in less government, more freedom of choice for individuals, and rewards for personal enterprise and effort," Mr Key said.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...18-663,00.html

^^^^That sure sounds familiar.


U.S. Conservative/Republican core values:

1) That the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.

2) High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.

3) That with freedom comes responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.

4) That your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.

[Toksin]

Nice to see some people are aware of more than just their corner of the world

I'm totally on the fence at the moment re: NZ elections. I may end up just voting for a minor party.

The thing that bugs me is that NZ elections are taking on the American angle of campaigning. ie, here it used to be "vote for us, we can do this" but now it's moving towards the US style of "the other guys are evil and eat babies, vote for us". It's disgusting.

[blazee]

Originally Posted by '97ventureowner

Not being much of a political debater, I saw a different angle at this thread. We all know The United States' image among other countries has suffered in recent years. One possible way to improve that image and get us "back on track" is to have a leader with whom other countries find positive. We might have a better chance of repairing our image if we had a leader that other countries prefer. To those that say,"Who cares what other countries think about us?" just think for a moment that , that very thought got us into the situation we are currently in. The world has evolved a lot in the past 50 years or so, and the economies of most countries are more global. We rely on so many other countries now than in the past, whereas other countries once relied on us. Having that imperialistic view doesn't sit well with other countries and can do a lot to harm one's image. Countries will need to work together in the coming years to solve the many issues that are currently in place( economies, climate change, population, etc.). Having a leader that the world sees in "a good light" can further advance the coming together of and working with other countries to solve these problems.

Who cares what other countries think about us?

[blazee]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

U.S. Conservative/Republican core values:

1) That the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.

2) High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.

3) That with freedom comes responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.

4) That your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.

Unfortunately, the only Republican that still feels that way is Ron Paul, and the rest of the party considers him crazy for it. Times are changing, the old Republicans are the new Libertarians. The new Republicans are war mongering, holier than thou religious nuts, bent on pushing their beliefs on the rest of the world, even if it means destroying the economy and giving away their freedom and rights, essentially costing them the country that so many great Americans contributed to building. Not to mention all the party's representatives that are child molesters, and self hating closet homosexuals.

Oh, and don't get me started on all the "hold my hand, feed me, and tell me everything is going to be okay" Democrat pussies.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by blazee

Unfortunately, the only Republican that still feels that way is Ron Paul, and the rest of the party considers him crazy for it. Times are changing, the old Republicans are the new Libertarians. The new Republicans are war mongering, holier than thou religious nuts, bent on pushing their beliefs on the rest of the world, even if it means destroying the economy and giving away their freedom and rights, essentially costing them the country that so many great Americans contributed to building. Not to mention all the party's representatives that are child molesters, and self hating closet homosexuals.

It is the Moderate Republicans, Neocons and Religious Right Extremists that screwed it up.

Here is another interesting straw poll.

http://js.polls.yahoo.com/quiz/quizi...?poll_id=40357

Originally Posted by blazee

Oh, and don't get me started on all the "hold my hand, feed me, and tell me everything is going to be okay" Democrat pussies.

There is a video on YouTube that shows a lady thinking everything will be free including gasoline under Obama and the Demos.

[blazee]

I think that in this election polls are going to be completely unreliable. I have a feeling that McCain will actually have a better standing than the polls show. Mainly because Obama has been presented as the "hip" choice... "it's cool to vote for Obama", people will naturally say they are voting for him, but when the time comes and no one is around, they'll vote for the white guy. Race is too big of an issue, it has divided our ignorant masses for too long, and even though many people try to pretend that they don't have a need to "stick to their own kind" very few actually feel that way.

I wonder what the prejudices will be when the day comes that everyone is comprised of a combination of all races. I'm sure they'll find something to distrust and hate each other about they always do...

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

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There is a video on YouTube that shows a lady thinking everything will be free including gasoline under Obama and the Demos.

That's the problem with appealing to masses that don't understand basic economics. You promise them that you'll give them things that they want but don't have the means to acquire now.

"Chicken in every pot" has become "cell phone/internet/useless consumer goods/free housing (it doesn't matter if you never should have qualified for the loan; we'll just print more money to cover it)".

Well, we all know that somebody has to pay for it. I don't know about you guys, but even if you steal my entire paycheck, it still won't cover all his "pie in the sky" programs.

Yeah, shame on me for gainful employment and living within my means.

We may see some surprises at the voting booth. Obama still needs quite a few middle American votes to attain the office. Some of us old hippies actually did grow up to learn the importance of accountability and responsible behavior.

I'm not holding out a lot of hope, though.

[2strokebloke]

Unfortunately it's not just the masses that don't understand basic economics. Just look at the current government's spending
It's as though no politician understands money doesn't grow on trees - and they all know that when they leave office they can leave their mess for the next in line (who will probably just add to it instead of cleaning it up).

[03cavPA]

Bob, here's a link to the youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8...eature=related

Now, there's a lot of spin around that video, but just listen to what she says about her hopes for an Obama administration.

Too many people want to spin it all the way out and take it to the extreme. She could *possibly* be thinking that she will be able to pay her gas and mortgage bill when the economy improves under BO. (oh, yeah, monkeys will fly out of our butts when that happens)

Now, if she honestly believes she'll get that stuff free when he's prez, then that really should scare the hell out of all of us.

The only thing scarier than that is if it's actually true.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

Bob, here's a link to the youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8...eature=related

Yup thats the one. Thanks. Man, talking about sheeple or people with a lack of education or common sense. She probably has been on welfare all her life.

You know you can put youtube videos directly into the post via vBulletin for posting. See below. Just go to "quote" and you'll see the commands.

[VR43000GT]

^^That's what I love...they claim, "no no, we aren't really doing a wealth redistribution." But seriously, who is going to pay for all the things that is promised to them? Is money just going to appear from thin air for them? No, others are going to have to pay for your insufficient lifestyle. This infuriates me so much. And the part that I don't understand is, this is not America at all. You work harder you should reap the benefits. And I know as last time I will here excuses but cut and dry, people with more money will paying for those who have less. And in that aspect, that is incredibley Unamerican.