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[Jimster]

Originally posted by Stefanel1
Indeed, what a pity for a so nice car.

this is the no1 thing that pissses me off- all the relable cars are boring as hell.

That being the Germans and Japanese- None of thier cars are particuarly exciting (With the exception of Mazda) but they are reliable


Some cars like Peugeot and Renault aren't as reliable- but look awesome though

[Stefanel1]

Peugeot and Renault are reliable ! My mother has one, none problems, my father too, and he had many French cars, and also a Volvo : he had many problems with the Volvo

[Jimster]

They are reliable- just not as reliable as Nissans or Hondas or Mazdas


Hondas are boring, Nissans are ugly and Mazda are IS200 wannabes

[crayzayjay]

er.. BMW's are exciting: all M3's, all M5's.. err... hello?

[Stefanel1]

Indeed but that's not too bad. It's more reliable than Ford, Chrysler, Fiat, etc. But less than Nissan (oh, it's French after all ) or BMW.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by crayzayjay
er.. BMW's are exciting: all M3's, all M5's.. err... hello?

Yeah.........but they are done by a tuning house- who are very good at making BMW's fun.


However a 318i isn't exactly that much fun compared to a similarly-prices Honda Accord Type V or Mazda 6.


In fact the 2.5 I6 is the cheapest exciting BMW's come

[crayzayjay]

Cant agree with that, sorry. a 318 pitted against all rep-mobiles, including the much acclaimed Mazda 6 led the way when it came to handling and an entertaining drive. a 318 can easily be seen as nothing compared to a 325 or 330, but when it is compared to its competitors, in terms of driving it is is way ahead. the 6 is a 3-series wannabe, its not a bad attempt but still very far off.

about the tuning house point, even a 320 offers 170bhp and is a lot of fun to drive, whether its an E36 or E46. (E36 is more edgy, sporty handling). 3series is by far the benchmark in terms of driving enjoyment in its class

[Stefanel1]

I'd prefer a 318 to a Mazda 6 or an honda... I'm according with crayzayjay

[gemballa]

me too a bmw 318 its more pretty than mazda 6 and your in a bmw not in a mazda!its like those cars like supras they have all this types of mods and they say:i can kill a diablo i can kill a ferrari but hey youre in a toyota and im in a lambo!

[Jimster]

BMW does hold the driving advantage- but the 1.9 is still gutless- AND priced against the much more responsive and quicker 2.3 VTEC and 2.3 Mazda engine


Also I think the 6 is an IS200 wannabe The cars almost look the same

[crayzayjay]

sure, the base BM is expensive relative to same engine sized rivals, but the buyer is getting a better quality and better designer interior, a more prestigious car and better handling.... that's how pricing any product works, people buy into a brand; BMW happens to make great cars so it works out OK. So does Merc but, for example, someone buying the C Class Coupé, or C Sport, whatever its called, will find the car isnt what it should be for a Merc and therefore grossly overpriced. Nothing in BM's current line-up would make you think that. Unless you want to correct me?

[crayzayjay]

The 6 is a 3-series wannabe, trust me. They took the 3-series apart when embarking on the project. As do most manufacturers

[gemballa]

is that true that the 3 series will be called 4 series?

[Jimster]

gemballa- NO The even numbers are for the sports cars (Z2, Z4, Z8, 6 series)

The odd numbers for the sedans and SUVs (3 series, 5 series, 7 series, X5, X3)

[crayzayjay]

Sedans (4-doors) will be 1,3,5,and 7 series
Coupes (2-door) will be 2,4,6, and 8?? series


i.e. next 3-series coupe will be called 4-series... what i dont know is if the M3 will become M4... i hope not, it just doesnt sound right