Consume less and save the planet.

[Damien]

I believe this crap as much as I believed the rain forests were being destroyed at...what was it back in the day? Wait, found it. 200,000 acres burned everyday! Well how long have those commercials been going for? Sicne I was young, let's say 9 even. Well it's been 12 years and with over a billion acres that means it'll be gone in less than two years roughly.

Oops, wait, it's not...

STFU. This stuff is so stupid. Comes from the same genius that said the atom is the smallest thing ever and "By the way. Pluto is no longer a planet in our books."

Aniwho, I need to drive around in my V8 4x4 Jeep. Besides, the geniuses that want the earth saved so bad do some of the worse damge. See Al Gore. Freakin' idiot gets an award for polluting the earth with one evernt more than 5 humans do each in their lifetime.

Once again, same sources, but they make him look bad.

[2strokebloke]

WTF are you talking about damien?

[Damien]

That all this ecosystem crap and resources running low is a bunch of BS. It's either unsure guesses, exaggerated facts, or blatant lies.

[wafrederick]

The Green Movement is full of BS too and the show,Penn & Teller BS on Showtime proved it.Al Gore was even called an A-hole on the show,the starting.There is no such as global warming.Recycling is a huge waste of money too and this was on Penn & Teller BS,Season 2 if you want to know.It is cheaper to make a new plastic bottle than recycling it.Only thing that is worth recycling is Metal and the federal government regulates landfills.

[Nicole8188]

Everything I've ever seen on TV was real, too.

[ericn1300]

Originally Posted by wafrederick

It is cheaper to make a new plastic bottle than recycling it.Only thing that is worth recycling is Metal and the federal government regulates landfills.

Plastic bottles are not recyled to make more bottles, only virgin plastic can be used for human consumption containors. The recycled plastic is used for consumer products like Jeep parts.

Recycling plastic is cost effetcive and profitable. The military did a cost benifit analysis for recycling plastic on bases and came up with this analysis:

http://205.153.241.230/P2_Opportunit...k/7_I_A_7.html

The site even has "an Active Spreadsheet for this Economic Analysis" so you can enter your own values here: http://205.153.241.230/econs/7ia7.xls

[wafrederick]

Go find some that has Penn & Teller BS season 2 on DVD and watch the recycling episode,they had an expert on their side that said it is cheaper to make a new plastic bottle than recycling.Recycling is a huge waste of money except metal,does not save trees,does not make anyone feel better and a few more reasons.

[ericn1300]

Originally Posted by wafrederick

Go find some that has Penn & Teller BS season 2 on DVD and watch the recycling episode,they had an expert on their side that said it is cheaper to make a new plastic bottle than recycling.Recycling is a huge waste of money except metal,does not save trees,does not make anyone feel better and a few more reasons.

A couple of Bozo's on a DVD rerun of a cable TV channel humor show is all you have to go on? All I can do is post it, you'll have to find some one to read it too you and then expalin it to you. I get so tired of second graders with an attitude.

[wafrederick]

You do not know who Penn and Teller are,famous magicians and are no bozos.Most of it is true about recycling.Most trees cut down are replaced with new trees.I did find the experiment very funny what Pen and Teller did on the recycling episodes,9 bins whic some people had to get it in the right one,to soiled toillet paper to dirty diapers.

[Pornogratherapy]

It's not just the fact that trees are getting cut down and we're not recycling our fucking water bottles. Things like this have been going on for years now. Way before any of us existed and it will continue until we no longer do. Talk is cheap. I believe global warming does exist but I also think it's a ploy to make people spend money. Just as with anything thats government related. It's all about the money. Are we destroying our planet? Yes. Abso-fucking-lutely. Do we care? Not really, because it's benefitting us RIGHT NOW. Everyone is all about immediate satisfaction and results. No one gives a shit about whats going to happen to this place hundreds of years from now, because that's what it's going to take for us to "run out of resources" if that happens.

We care nothing about what happens other than when the gas prices rise and fall. Global warming isn't real? Bullshit. Ice burgs aren't melting and causing flooding for no reason. Hurricanes aren't happening JUST BECAUSE the weather changes. Things are happening for a reason and the reason is US. Cause and effect. Years ago, according to books and a range of scientists, the world was a lush, green place. WE are destroying it. The pollution we create from not recycling or in other words, not giving a fuck, is what's causing all of this. Not anything else. All I can say is shit rolls downhill and the human race is right in the valley.

"We will be remembered more for what we destroy, than what we create."

[ericn1300]

Originally Posted by wafrederick

You do not know who Penn and Teller are,famous magicians and are no bozos.

Actually I do know who Penn and Teller are, and have been a long time fan of their act, but how do you relate their skills as prestidigitator's to recycling? And why am I arguing with someone who can't construct a grammatically correct sentence? Doh!

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Pornogratherapy

We care nothing about what happens other than when the gas prices rise and fall. Global warming isn't real? Bullshit. Ice burgs aren't melting and causing flooding for no reason. Hurricanes aren't happening JUST BECAUSE the weather changes. Things are happening for a reason and the reason is US. Cause and effect. Years ago, according to books and a range of scientists, the world was a lush, green place. WE are destroying it. The pollution we create from not recycling or in other words, not giving a fuck, is what's causing all of this. Not anything else. All I can say is shit rolls downhill and the human race is right in the valley.

"We will be remembered more for what we destroy, than what we create."

Actually the hurricane seasons cannot be associated with GW for several reasons and the main is when the icebergs melt the waters get colder not warmer so if you want to say that's how come there are so many, you're wrong. If you want to use it as a source for why there haven't been many in past years, then why in 2004 was there a lot and now? Yes, either way, you lose.

Next topic, scientists. Gotta love them. The geniuses that they are having lived a hundred thousand...no, they didn't Shoot, they also aren't in space to actually describe what the heck dark matter is besides...space. Are we destroying it? Yes, but to the degree in which everyone is claiming. No. Just let it be. You want to do something then go out and do it. Recyle, save the whales, I don't care but don't try and convince people of something that won't affect them, their children, grandchildren, etc for the next several hundred years.

[Pornogratherapy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Actually the hurricane seasons cannot be associated with GW for several reasons and the main is when the icebergs melt the waters get colder not warmer so if you want to say that's how come there are so many, you're wrong. If you want to use it as a source for why there haven't been many in past years, then why in 2004 was there a lot and now? Yes, either way, you lose.

Next topic, scientists. Gotta love them. The geniuses that they are having lived a hundred thousand...no, they didn't Shoot, they also aren't in space to actually describe what the heck dark matter is besides...space. Are we destroying it? Yes, but to the degree in which everyone is claiming. No. Just let it be. You want to do something then go out and do it. Recyle, save the whales, I don't care but don't try and convince people of something that won't affect them, their children, grandchildren, etc for the next several hundred years.

I said everything happens for a reason... CAUSE and EFFECT. I also did mention that it would take an extreme amount of time before we "ran out of resources" which is what everyone is bitching about. Nothing will happen in my lifetime, your lifetime or your children, your childrens children... so on and so forth. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything... things are going downhill as far as the "well being of the earth" is concerned. I'm not the "save the whales" type either and I don't preach. I was stating my opinion. It's our fault the world is the way it is. No one else's. As I said before, no one cares about whats going to happen later on down the road because it won't effect them. People care about whats happening right now, this very moment. No one cares about the "what if"'s of life. Do I think it'll eventually turn to shit? Yes. Do I think there is anything one person can do about it? No. Do I think that what happens now will effect what happens later? Yes. Am I just "letting it be"? Yes... because theres nothing anyone can do about it. We will rise and we will fall. That is all I have to say.

[Nicole8188]

http://www.storyofstuff.com/

Everyone in here needs to watch The Story of Stuff. I can't explain everything that she says in it, but the basic gist of the movie is that the system we're currently using is a linear system and you can't use a linear system on a finite planet.

(FYI: The System Is - Extraction, Production, Distribution, Consumption, Disposal)

Originally Posted by Pornogratherapy

Nothing will happen in my lifetime, your lifetime or your children, your childrens children... so on and so forth.

In the past 3 decades, 1/3 of the world's natural resources has been consumed. So you should rethink that statement.

[ericn1300]

Originally Posted by Nicole8188

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(FYI: The System Is - Extraction, Production, Distribution, Consumption, Disposal)

That system is the old paradigim: cradle to death. Check out the new paradigim at cradle to cradle:

In Cradle to Cradle, McDonough and Braungart argue that the conflict between industry and the environment is not an indictment of commerce but an outgrowth of purely opportunistic design.

http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm