Touching Back With The Heart Of Street Racing

[DottedPanda]

Okay i don't really have a problem with BS being called seen as i have no way to prove it. The only way i can prove it is by showing you with a video that i don't have so i am sorry.

You are starting to annoy me, i am trying to be very polite and i am not trying to be some prick, i keep apologizing for things i shouldn't be. I am sorry you don't believe me end of story

[CivRacer95]

Originally Posted by DottedPanda

Okay i don't really have a problem with BS being called seen as i have no way to prove it. The only way i can prove it is by showing you with a video that i don't have so i am sorry.

You are starting to annoy me, i am trying to be very polite and i am not trying to be some prick, i keep apologizing for things i shouldn't be. I am sorry you don't believe me end of story

Don't mind him, he usually tries to put everyone to the test if he doesn't like what he sees.

Well, in any sense, you are providing pictures at this moment and I'm glad you figured that part out. You also owned up about the quarter mile you set up with some friends. Which pretty much rules out the whole 1/4 timeslips people want, and you were kind enough even to rule out the possibility of your car gaining 50 ponies from an intake and exhaust set up.

Most short-term members aren't even willing to go through the effort you are demonstrating. They usually just give up and leave the forums, or try to find another means of BSing their way back into our forums.

Edit: took the time to just look up the JCW and here is a link to some of the things included in the package:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/20...Tuning-Kit.htm

Just curious to know, but how much did the 'rents spend on this vehicle you drive around in?

[DottedPanda]

Uh i don't know exactly but it was just over 20 grand with a trade in.

[jeepgclwj]

Driver of S4 needs an Escort to drive

Rematch with video

Go to track and get acurate numbers (ones real close to you)

Prediction mid-high 14's@98mph

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by DottedPanda

Uh i don't know exactly but it was just over 20 grand with a trade in.

So wait, your ripping on people for having a car bought by mommy and daddy and you are no different?

Originally Posted by jeepgclwj

Prediction mid-high 14's@98

I'll agree with that one. I still don't buy him walking a mid-low 13 car from a roll, but whatever. I'd like to see real slip times before the BS flag is permanent.

[UnderEstimate Me]

This thread makes me smile.

[GForce957]

98 might be a little high if he only has 220hp and 2600, unless its whp

[CivRacer95]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

So wait, your ripping on people for having a car bought by mommy and daddy and you are no different?

His first post never implied that he had a problem with "Jack's" parents buying him the car. He even complimented the guys car as being noble. Atleast it seemed that way to me.

Quit trying to be a hater and let the kid be. It's getting pretty annoying that you are just looking for every which way to disprove of his story. I admittedly was one who pointed the finger as well, but atleast I can show reason and accept that fact he owned up about it.

In other words, lay the fuck off and stop acting like a prick. End of story. Mid to High 14 sec car beat the kids Audi S4 (which was never clarified as to what year it was, only assumed). This thread can stay open, but I would appreciate it if DottedPanda wouldn't mind finding out the details to "Jacks" S4. That's all I have to request.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by CivRacer95

His first post never implied that he had a problem with "Jack's" parents buying him the car. He even complimented the guys car as being noble. Atleast it seemed that way to me.

I read it other wise.

Quit trying to be a hater and let the kid be. It's getting pretty annoying that you are just looking for every which way to disprove of his story. I admittedly was one who pointed the finger as well, but atleast I can show reason and accept that fact he owned up about it.

Ummm...I don't need to try to disprove his story, he is continually doing a good job of it himself. Stop watches and a radar gun to get a 1/4mile and trap time that is obscenely fast for any Mini? Walking a car that runs mid 13s as an Auto, because with those bolt ons I would more than likely say even an auto B5 BiTurbo would be in the high 13s, but more about this in a second. I'm gonna disect the next statement here, so try to hang with me.

Mid to High 14 sec car beat the kids Audi S4 (which was never clarified as to what year it was, only assumed).

The year has been clarified. It is 2003 or newer. The B4s came with a five speed tipronic gear box, not a six speed. It was the B5 and newer chassis that came with a six speed. So I'm gonna say no, it didn't. Either it was an Audi A4 with the 4 banger turbo, or he's lying. It is basic fucking math. Racing from a roll, the Audi has the better gearing and more power. The only way for the S4 not to activate the kickdown is for the driver to take half a minute to press down on the accelerator, and not activate kickdown. In that case, Jack wasn't even racing. So as long as he honestly floored it, the Mini looses.

In other words, lay the fuck off and stop acting like a prick. End of story.

Or I can keep digging for the truth since you seem so complacent to accept a bunch of bullshit. At least a few of us around here still do. Maybe I can see through the basic grasp of the English language (which so far, is one of the few things he has done better than your standard poser comes in here with) to not ride this kids dick and think hey, a high 14 second 98mph (on a good day) Mini can roll on a mid to low thirteen second Audi. No problem, that totally makes sense. I'll stop acting like a prick and lay off when you stop sucking this kid off because he can type, or he can offer proof that he rolled the S4, beyond he and some of his butt buddies going out back behind a warehouse with a stop watch and a baseball pitch radar and a cap gun...

And the lack of details on the race beyond "it was over before it was even started" only adds to suspicion. That, and I love how the mod list continues to grow. First it was just the turbo Cooper with an intake and catback. Then it was the JCW Cooper, which he has at least prooven that. Now its a JCW Cooper with Intake, Catback, BOV, and a "Diablo" Tune. I can only assume that a "Diablo Tune" is a DiabloSport, and thatn in and off itself is pretty interesting, seeing as, I dunno, they only offer tuning solutions for Domestics according to their website.

but I would appreciate it if DottedPanda wouldn't mind finding out the details to "Jacks" S4. That's all I have to request.

I'll agree with you on that.

Originally Posted by GForce957

98 might be a little high if he only has 220hp and 2600, unless its whp

Eh, I can see it. Maybe a bit slower. I was trapping in the mid 90s with the 325i, and it wasn't pushing more than 160-170 at the wheels. I'd just be amazed if he pushed out anything better than a 14.5.

Originally Posted by DottedPanda

You are starting to annoy me, I am trying to be very polite and I am not trying to be some prick, I keep apologizing for things I shouldn't be. I am sorry you don't believe me end of story.

If you have indeed been browsing "the site frequently for the past two months my fingers never touched the keyboard for any responses", then you should have expected this, and it would have been no big deal to see it. You would have had been expeting to be asked for slips, pictures, and the like on a two sentance long "I beat an S4" story.

[98BlackTransAm]

the phrase "anything can happen on the street" doesn't apply here, because yeah simple mathmatics rule out any possibility that this race actually took place as illustrated.

i do find it ironic how the letters "S" and "A" are located right next to each other on the keyboard though...so perhaps one finger slip moprhed this story from a plausible one to precarious.

[CivRacer95]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Ummm...I don't need to try to disprove his story, he is continually doing a good job of it himself. Stop watches and a radar gun to get a 1/4mile and trap time that is obscenely fast for any Mini? Walking a car that runs mid 13s as an Auto, because with those bolt ons I would more than likely say even an auto B5 BiTurbo would be in the high 13s, but more about this in a second. I'm gonna disect the next statement here, so try to hang with me. z

Funny, he actually came clean about that. So I don't see a problem with that. Unlike most people who try to over correct themselves or dig up more bullshit and come up much worse, he openly admitted it, just to look for acceptance.

Did you mention that the S4 possibly had a Steptronic transmission? Well, last I checked, you have the option to change the gears yourself as though you had a manual transmission right? So let's assume "Jack" was trying to switch through the gears like he had a manual, but came up short consistenly because of:

A: Lack of practice.
B: Can't drive for shit.
C: Isn't familiar with shift points.
D: All of the above.

Wouldn't doubt that it could happen especially if someone didn't know their car very well. And in this case, it could possibly lead to Panda winning the race.

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

The year has been clarified. It is 2003 or newer. The B4s came with a five speed tipronic gear box, not a six speed. It was the B5 and newer chassis that came with a six speed. So I'm gonna say no, it didn't. Either it was an Audi A4 with the 4 banger turbo, or he's lying. It is basic fucking math. Racing from a roll, the Audi has the better gearing and more power. The only way for the S4 not to activate the kickdown is for the driver to take half a minute to press down on the accelerator, and not activate kickdown. In that case, Jack wasn't even racing. So as long as he honestly floored it, the Mini looses.

Unless the OP PMed you the year of the car, I've yet to find it any where in this thread. The only possible hint was that he said the car was easily the most expensive in the group. But seeing that the Mini cost his parents 20K plus a trade in, I wouldn't doubt that Pandas Mini was the most expensive car there. (FYI a 2003 S4 can be had for nearly 15K these days. Not too pricey if you actually know what a vehicle is worth)

By assuming now that it was an S4 badged A4, you pretty much rendered all of your accusations useless, and we probably won't know for sure until he can get some details about "Jacks" car. I can tell at this point, if it was, our OP probably wouldn't know how to tell the cars apart if it was done, and if so, that makes this "Jack" person, a bigger poser than ever.

So long as he floors it (in this possible scenario of it being an A4) the mini may possibly lose. Would be a lot closer.

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Or I can keep digging for the truth since you seem so complacent to accept a bunch of bullshit. At least a few of us around here still do. Maybe I can see through the basic grasp of the English language (which so far, is one of the few things he has done better than your standard poser comes in here with) to not ride this kids dick and think hey, a high 14 second 98mph (on a good day) Mini can roll on a mid to low thirteen second Audi. No problem, that totally makes sense. I'll stop acting like a prick and lay off when you stop sucking this kid off because he can type

You say I'm "complacent" about this? Hardly. I was one of the first to call BS to begin with. I asked for details and he began to provide some. Even still, I checked up on the JCW Cooper S, and to be honest, I don't even believe for a minute that he owns one. In case you didn't look for yourself because you couldn't take a minute to let your dick soften up, his car doesn't have any sort of resemblence to the JCW Cooper S. It looks entirely stock like a base model Mini, unlike the pictures provided that I gave a link to.

Sucking him off because he can type? Heh, so insulting me because I give someone a chance around here is suddenly a problem. Well, as a moderator, I give people the benefit of the doubt. I can tell you that most people in here from time to time exaggerate their stories. Let me once again bring up the time you claimed your bimmer reached (don't remember) 70-100 or so in about 3 seconds. Everyone jumped down you throat. But who was it that was one to give the benefit out the doubt? Me. I remember backing you up at that time.

And so he can type. I'm glad he can, because half the guys in here string together words worse than an 8 year old. It shows a lot of character and maturity, especially from an 17 year old. It's nice to read a post that doesn't strain the shit out of my eyes.

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

And the lack of details on the race beyond "it was over before it was even started" only adds to suspicion. That, and I love how the mod list continues to grow. First it was just the turbo Cooper with an intake and catback. Then it was the JCW Cooper, which he has at least prooven that. Now its a JCW Cooper with Intake, Catback, BOV, and a "Diablo" Tune. I can only assume that a "Diablo Tune" is a DiabloSport, and thatn in and off itself is pretty interesting, seeing as, I dunno, they only offer tuning solutions for Domestics according to their website.

I'm not entirely clueless as to what he has put up so far. I've been watching this whole time and I still notice things here and there that catch my interest. But, with he sig, he also provided a picture of his vehicle. Wasn't that something everyone wanted to see?

And yes, the list has grown. I'm going to assume he doesn't know about his car, and it could very well be his fathers car. In which case, I bet he is inquiring about the details because he himself is not very familiar with the vehicle he drives.

As before I mentioned that his car looks nothing like the JCW Cooper S. It's not hard to see, but still, I'm giving him a chance because I feel he deserves it for being honest about the things we have discussed here. And more than likely, he'll probably come clean about other things. I get the impression that he genuinely wants to stay here and enjoy or community, and so far, if anything is false that he provided, he'll come clean about. I'm confident he will.

Besides, he probably won't be the first person we've allowed to come into this community after they have BSed a bit, were called on it, and came clean about it. There have been a few members here that were allowed to (which I don't remember because I don't keep tabs on everyone here). And so, if he does, I don't mind him sticking around. Otherwise, if he chooses not to, then he'll probably be harassed about this later on.

All that aside, Cassiesman, this isn't the first time you've insulted me because I choose to let someone own up about things. Your consistent pursuit to "find the truth" has led you to become a complete dickhead in the past. And you have proven to do it yet again because you think you have to be the one to prove everyone wrong. Most in here that do call BS aren't nearly as bullheaded as you have been. I've found that those who have tried to call BS, usually let it be and let the moderators handle it with their own care.

I'll use you as an example here publicly. If you insult me again for looking at both sides of the story, I WILL give you a nice vacation from AF.

I don't appreciate trying to be underminded, and I do know what to look for if there is a suspicion on the rise from a new member. I'd rather let it play out and see for myself if someone is trying to pull someone's leg around here. This is your last warning, and it's a warning to anyone else.

Comprende?

-Civ

[DottedPanda]

Haha well there really is no way i can win with this chump out to destroy me and everyone else who remains respectable and kind. I have no idea who the Audi kid is and i have not seen him at the bump spot since the race. I will ask around and see if i can get some details for civracer95 not for cassiesman. The fact that he sat down and picked apart different posts, taking some of them out of context is sad and is no doubt an accurate representation of how much of a prick he is in real life. None of the comments particulary upset me seen as everyone was respectable except for cassiesman who i just ignored. The only one that did arrouse a bit of anger was the one about "mommy and daddy bought me the car so i am no different". THe post is not ripping on people with money the post is talking about "a decrease in skill and rise in paint splashed". In other words people making their cars look cool and perform well but having no idea how to drive them.


I would hope that the reason for your harshness is due to previous individuals who maybe have talked a lot of BS and have left after they felt the wrath of Cassie. I am going nowhere, i am bigger than that. if your goal was to get me to leave you have only encouraged me to stay, if only to see what else you have got.

Since we can't end this fight logically and on both front's we have made mistakes despite being a noob to the forums why don't we just do what men do "fucking forget it". Maybe the mistake was mine in posting such a controversial post with figures that granted could not be proved, before i had become a respected part of this community. So i am going to be a man and ask nobly for an apology if not then well we can keep going. But what do you say man can we forget this with the promise next time to bring a video camera to the race?

P.S. Thankyou Civic
P.S.The Mini IS a JCW just because it might not look like it. I can understand that it might not look like a JCW to the non mini driver. Granted i doon't have quite as an extensive knowledge of some iner workings of the cars as some of the people here but i do know lots and lots about mini's. I love them, which is why i chose one out of all the cars i could have had. Okay the JCW kit is a package deal when you purchase the car and comes with a number of upgrades. Two of which being a body kit and a different looking grill. To the skeptic, my car does not seem to have these features. Well that is because it doesn't. When my dad originally purchased the car for ME!! it was a stock S which dissapointed me. NOt because i thought it didn't look as cool but because it simply didn't have quite as much punch. So BIG PAPPS AUDI (a car custom shop in cincinnati) installed the kit. I love the way the mini looks and so instead of dropping an extra grand for a body kit, grill, and bigger wing i bought myself a GPS. The car is mine, my sister has a Scion TC, my dad has a 6 series, and my mum has an x3. ahh there we go

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by CivRacer95

Did you mention that the S4 possibly had a Steptronic transmission? Well, last I checked, you have the option to change the gears yourself as though you had a manual transmission right? So let's assume "Jack" was trying to switch through the gears like he had a manual, but came up short consistenly because of:

A: Lack of practice.
B: Can't drive for shit.
C: Isn't familiar with shift points.
D: All of the above.

Wouldn't doubt that it could happen especially if someone didn't know their car very well. And in this case, it could possibly lead to Panda winning the race.

The only benefit of the doubt you can give to the story in this case is that Jack is the most incompetent driver on the face of the plannet. Ok, I'll accept that. Jack can't even shift an auto tranny. So Jack, who must have the IQ of a hole in the ground could, in theory, loose. He would have to try to loose, but he'd loose. Fine. I still call BS.

Unless the OP PMed you the year of the car, I've yet to find it any where in this thread. The only possible hint was that he said the car was easily the most expensive in the group.

You don't read very well do you. He said it was a six speed steptronic. That alone limits it to being the B5 or newer chasis. Its that fucking simple.

By assuming now that it was an S4 badged A4, you pretty much rendered all of your accusations useless, and we probably won't know for sure until he can get some details about "Jacks" car.

I never did assume it, I just said its the only way in hell he could have kicked "Jacks" ass so hard.

In case you didn't look for yourself because you couldn't take a minute to let your dick soften up, his car doesn't have any sort of resemblence to the JCW Cooper S. It looks entirely stock like a base model Mini, unlike the pictures provided that I gave a link to.

Actually, after some Google image searching, it looks like a few of the JCW Coopers pulled up from the front end, as I found a few running those star style wheels. But prooving that he didn't own the Cooper wasn't my goal, first I just wanted him to admit the bullshit on the race. Baby steps.

Let me once again bring up the time you claimed your bimmer reached (don't remember) 70-100 or so in about 3 seconds. Everyone jumped down you throat. But who was it that was one to give the benefit out the doubt? Me. I remember backing you up at that time.

And there is your good deed for the year. Have a cookie. Hindsight being twenty twenty, I was being a ricer and I woulda tore my own ass up over it. But there is also a difference in exagerating a story, and flat out bull shit.

I'm not entirely clueless as to what he has put up so far. I've been watching this whole time and I still notice things here and there that catch my interest. But, with he sig, he also provided a picture of his vehicle. Wasn't that something everyone wanted to see?

I never asked for a shot of the car, so while I'm sure that is good enough for you, not me.

Your consistent pursuit to "find the truth" has led you to become a complete dickhead in the past.

And damned proud of it! To paraphrase Tony, you need me to point your finger at and say don't be like him.

And you have proven to do it yet again because you think you have to be the one to prove everyone wrong.

It runs in the family, and damned if we aren't good at it.

Most in here that do call BS aren't nearly as bullheaded as you have been. I've found that those who have tried to call BS, usually let it be and let the moderators handle it with their own care.

I'll use you as an example here publicly. If you insult me again for looking at both sides of the story, I WILL give you a nice vacation from AF.

I don't appreciate trying to be underminded, and I do know what to look for if there is a suspicion on the rise from a new member. I'd rather let it play out and see for myself if someone is trying to pull someone's leg around here. This is your last warning, and it's a warning to anyone else.

Comprende?

Oh dear me, lord knows how I'd survive if I got a ban from Civ. The world just might end and my life may be over. What ever shall I do? Undermine you? You act like you have the keys to the boomers on a nuke sub and I'm rallying the crew against you. God help me if my life gets to the point where I'm worried about being undermined on an internet discussion forum. I mean, shit, whatever helps you sleep at night, but c'mon. If I was ever worried about being undermined on an internet forum, I think I'd take a step back, figure out where the hell my life turned to shit, and shoot myself after that.

Haha well there really is no way i can win with this chump out to destroy me and everyone else who remains respectable and kind. I have no idea who the Audi kid is and i have not seen him at the bump spot since the race. I will ask around and see if i can get some details for civracer95 not for cassiesman. The fact that he sat down and picked apart different posts, taking some of them out of context is sad and is no doubt an accurate representation of how much of a prick he is in real life. None of the comments particulary upset me seen as everyone was respectable except for cassiesman who i just ignored. The only one that did arrouse a bit of anger was the one about "mommy and daddy bought me the car so i am no different". THe post is not ripping on people with money the post is talking about "a decrease in skill and rise in paint splashed". In other words people making their cars look cool and perform well but having no idea how to drive them.

Oh noes! Someone on the internet doesn't like me! I know your 17 so still a virgin to the real world kid, but get used to it. People (myself included) don't care if you like them or not. I have plenty of friends that I get along with just fine, and they get along with me. But hey, this is the easiest its ever been for me to piss someone off. Most of the time I have to work to see what it takes to get under someone's skin. You just flat out told me.

I would hope that the reason for your harshness is due to previous individuals who maybe have talked a lot of BS and have left after they felt the wrath of Cassie. I am going nowhere, i am bigger than that. if your goal was to get me to leave you have only encouraged me to stay, if only to see what else you have got.

No, my reason for my harsness is I don't like people coming in on their high fucking horse and laying down a line of bullshit. And I hope you stay, I can't wait to see what other performance numbers you come up with and how you figured them out.

Since we can't end this fight logically and on both front's we have made mistakes despite being a noob to the forums why don't we just do what men do "fucking forget it". Maybe the mistake was mine in posting such a controversial post with figures that granted could not be proved, before i had become a respected part of this community. So i am going to be a man and ask nobly for an apology if not then well we can keep going. But what do you say man can we forget this with the promise next time to bring a video camera to the race?

We have both made mistakes? Huh? I can see your mistakes. All I've done was pick yours apart. And why the hell would I appologize to you?

The Mini IS a JCW just because it might not look like it. I can understand that it might not look like a JCW to the non mini driver. Granted i doon't have quite as an extensive knowledge of some iner workings of the cars as some of the people here but i do know lots and lots about mini's. I love them, which is why i chose one out of all the cars i could have had. Okay the JCW kit is a package deal when you purchase the car and comes with a number of upgrades. Two of which being a body kit and a different looking grill. To the skeptic, my car does not seem to have these features. Well that is because it doesn't. When my dad originally purchased the car for ME!! it was a stock S which dissapointed me. NOt because i thought it didn't look as cool but because it simply didn't have quite as much punch. So BIG PAPPS AUDI (a car custom shop in cincinnati) installed the kit. I love the way the mini looks and so instead of dropping an extra grand for a body kit, grill, and bigger wing i bought myself a GPS. The car is mine, my sister has a Scion TC, my dad has a 6 series, and my mum has an x3. ahh there we go

And the bullshit flows like water through the mountains. So it isn't a JCW, its a Cooper S with a JCW package. God damn son, just man up to it. And you were dissapointed because daddy bought you a nice little car? Shit son, except for the first year of ownership on my piece of shit Rav4, I've paid my own money for all my cars. Did mommy and daddy buy you the aftermarket stuff too? Hell, I was happy to get window tint as a Christmas gift. And now an Audi place installed the kit? STOP THE BULLSHIT KID! Although it must suck that stock for stock, your sister's car could whup your ass.

As I expect this to be my last post for a bit, then I'll go ahead and leave you with a nice piece of advice:

The truth will set you free.

[CivRacer95]

Buh bye, thanks for showing compliance.

As for this thread, I'll leave it open. It may continue, but let's just hope it can continue without anymore "BS" coming in...

[UnderEstimate Me]

Kinda harsh if you ask me.