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Old 06-21-2008, 03:24 PM   #16
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

Guys I understand your enthusiasm, the stuff isn't bad at all (I agree on tyres walls, also pattern is so ugly and deep...)

I'm just SAD becouse looks like FUJI ENTHUSIAST MODEL are gone forever, leaved to the model anthology: I must say those guys worked on the EM 356s were real artists, and the marketing/management supported those guys was generous.

For sure this kit isn't developed by those "EM GUYS" or the management/marketing dep cut their balls.... yep.

Anyway better this than nothing, despite I can't cry with my Hiros
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Old 06-21-2008, 03:43 PM   #17
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

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Guys I understand your enthusiasm, the stuff isn't bad at all (I agree on tyres walls, also pattern is so ugly and deep...)

I'm just SAD becouse looks like FUJI ENTHUSIAST MODEL are gone forever, leaved to the model anthology: I must say those guys worked on the EM 356s were real artists, and the marketing/management supported those guys was generous.

For sure this kit isn't developed by those "EM GUYS" or the management/marketing dep cut their balls.... yep.

Anyway better this than nothing, despite I can't cry with my Hiros
We all know that this isn't the same team that engineered the Fujimi Enthusiast kits, simply because that team went their own way and founded the Rosso kit manufacturer.

And i honestly don't see why a kit should have pistons in it's engine (like the EM 365's have), after all you can't see them.

And comparing a 20€ plastic kit with a 150-200€ Hiro kit is a bit far fetched.
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Old 06-21-2008, 03:47 PM   #18
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

There was a certain hedonism to the Enthusiast series, of a kind I doubt we'll ever see again.

But that GTO looks as good as anything we'll get in Fujimi's current "post-Enthusiast" age - certainly as good as it needs to be.

As to engine swaps, the RMM might still bear some consideration because of its greatly enhanced level of detail. But the Protar engine? Looking at what's in the Fujimi kit, I can't imagine why.
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Old 06-21-2008, 04:08 PM   #19
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

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Guys I understand your enthusiasm, the stuff isn't bad at all (I agree on tyres walls, also pattern is so ugly and deep...)

I'm just SAD becouse looks like FUJI ENTHUSIAST MODEL are gone forever, leaved to the model anthology: I must say those guys worked on the EM 356s were real artists, and the marketing/management supported those guys was generous.

For sure this kit isn't developed by those "EM GUYS" or the management/marketing dep cut their balls.... yep.

Anyway better this than nothing, despite I can't cry with my Hiros
It may not be the same guys, but it sure seems like Fujimi hired most of the Tamiya engineers!
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Old 06-21-2008, 05:23 PM   #20
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

As long as Fujimi keep bringing us good Ferrari kits, especially the early F1s, I couldn't care less about which team engineers them.
Keep them coming Fujimi!
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:58 PM   #21
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

i share the same sediments on the demise on thoes EM kits...
though i have nearly ALL of them sitting right here in my closet, the elusive EM daytona racing (as i heard of) has not seen any daylight yet.
or is there such a kit, from what we can see from the prints inside the EM box???

as for what engines for whatever, to me this is top priority in my modeling. this is easily the best area to clearly & effectively distinguish between a die-cast to a hand build model!

as for the fleet of all GTOs, that's a great idea! all 39 of them using whatever kits you can find!!! YES!
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Old 06-21-2008, 11:12 PM   #22
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

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And comparing a 20€ plastic kit with a 150-200€ Hiro kit is a bit far fetched.
this statement strikes a chord in me...

is there a modeling section whereby on one corner, it's the 100% out-of-the-box builds & the other a 100% no-holds-bar modeling sections here!?!?

to me it's the skills one puts in to that build that counts, most of all. i've seen work of out-of-the-box builds that can be on par to an expensive MFH kit form, yes right here!

i'll salute the one who can do a GTO that looked like a fresh MFH GTO... and with a minimum cost incurred. now that's a skill (money saving) too!!!

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or is there such a kit, from what we can see from the prints inside the EM box???
This kit never made it to production.
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This kit never made it to production.
There's still hope though!
Fujimi have been releasing many Ferrari kits lately, plus they kept reediting the EM Ferraris, so who knows!
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The Fujimi kit has an engine too, why use a Protar or RMM kit engine?!
The engine looked a little "rough" in the photos. The Protar engine is reasonably good (engine and chassis are best part of kit IMO). The R&MoM engine is very good. So, if the engine turns out a little weak, there are alternatives. That's all.
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The engine looked a little "rough" in the photos. The Protar engine is reasonably good (engine and chassis are best part of kit IMO). The R&MoM engine is very good. So, if the engine turns out a little weak, there are alternatives. That's all.
that's a little great news to me!
so protar engines have high ratings amongst the ferrari fans.

i have 2 spare protar GTO engines at my disposal now, which i intended to use them on a 330LMB & a 250GTO 64.

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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

...and back to the whole Fujimi/MFH question for a sec: yeah, I guess I'd have to agree that the comparison is a little far-fetched.

At roughly 10 - 15% of the price, Fujimi's kit right outta the box looks considerably better than 10 to 15% as good as a typical MFH GTO. Add in the inevitable photoetched set, and you might approach 35% the cost of an MFH if you really get ripped off - with 100% or more of the precision and accuracy of an MFH kit, and probably far fewer of the fit headaches.

So yeah! I guess MFH is at a pretty serious disadvantage here.

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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

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...and back to the whole Fujimi/MFH question for a sec: yeah, I guess I'd have to agree that the comparison is a little far-fetched.

At roughly 10 - 15% of the price, Fujimi's kit right outta the box looks considerably better than 10 to 15% as good as a typical MFH GTO. Add in the inevitable photoetched set, and you might approach 35% the cost of an MFH if you really get ripped off - with 100% or more of the precision and accuracy of an MFH kit, and probably far fewer of the fit headaches.

So yeah! I guess MFH is at a pretty serious disadvantage here.

For the most part its not the detail level, its the subject.
Fujimi made what? 3 different EM Ferraris? When Fujimi will make EM 250 LM, 166MM, etc, then we'll talk about MFH being expensive. As we speak, there is no alternative to 90% of MFH models at any price.
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For the most part its not the detail level, its the subject.
Fujimi made what? 3 different EM Ferraris? When Fujimi will make EM 250 LM, 166MM, etc, then we'll talk about MFH being expensive. As we speak, there is no alternative to 90% of MFH models at any price.
That's true. However comparing the quality of a 30$ kit with that of a 250$, for the same subject, is not exactly objective.
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Re: New Pics of Fujimi Ferrari 250GTO

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For the most part its not the detail level, its the subject.
Fujimi made what? 3 different EM Ferraris? When Fujimi will make EM 250 LM, 166MM, etc, then we'll talk about MFH being expensive. As we speak, there is no alternative to 90% of MFH models at any price.
No, we'll talk about MFH being expensive right now.

'Cause this thread ain't about about 166MM's, 250 LM's, Aston Zagatos, or Alfa TZ's. It's about the 250 GTO. With nothing more than an old Italeri tool as the stiffest competition, the MFH kits may yet have justified their expense; and for those who crave the ultimate detail and are willing to go to masochistic extremes to get it, MFH will continue to reign supreme.

But for those of us who aren't master prodigies like Bill Geary or Alex Kustov (and even for some who are), the Fujimi kit WILL invite comparison and present distinct advantages, whether anyone likes it or not.

If I'd suggested Fujimi put MFH at a disadvantage in general, your point would have some vague kind of traction. But that's not my premise, now, is it? I said MFH was at a certain disadvantage HERE, meaning specifically in the context of a new plastic GTO kit, from a Japanese manufacturer that's rolling seven after seven right now. So while pointing out the uniqueness of the MFH line is a nice misdirection, it really has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

And in fact, for years, I made it my business to take some hugely disparate kits and compare them as objectively as possible to one another. The evaluation methodology could get convulted, but the central philosophy was simple: when a kit costs more, you expect more, and I'm simply taking that reasoning to an extreme here. And while the statement that Fujimi's GTO is better than 15% as good as a Hiro GTO is necessarily subjective, I defy anyone to dispute it objectively.

Now Jano, you've claimed that a comparison between these two is "far-fetched" and "not objective", but you've yet to offer any reason why. Your ball.
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