Shaking while Braking

[imidazol97]

Originally Posted by maxwedge

Another issue common in my area of the country is heavily rusted wheel mount hubs, put on new rotors without cleaning them properly and you have huge runout problems no matter whose rotors, BTW most PG rotors are Canadian.

Good point about the clean contact on the hub for the new rotors.

I am wondering which format the 95 PA has. My 93 leSabre had pins with metals sleeves that needed lubed and they went inside the ears on the calipers. Inside the ears were giant o-rings that provided the rubber mount to avoid rattling and let the metal sleeves slide. Nasty.

My 98 leSabre has long rubber tubes that go inside the caliper ears and those need lube so the metal sleeves can slide and the sleeves are lubed inside for the pins (bolts) to slide inside them.

On both the corrosion inside the caliper ears is a problem. It's supposed to be cleaned out with a brake hone to get back to clean metal.

[C man]

I think I have the set up like your 98' lesabre.I put that cheap worthless grease they like to sell you everytime you buy brakes on the pins. The car is 13yrs old so I think I'll get a caliper rebuild kit or just buy new ones. I also need a paint job right now. It looks like GM older white cars like to shed snow flakes everytime you wash them.

[HotZ28]

Are the Raybestos rotors made in US or China? I was trying to find out on their website and it sounds like the company is owned by another company now--they have a different website and they don't talk about the source of the product. I did find on Bendix's site that their top line rotors are made in US/Canada. What about the Wearever pads and rotors from AdvanceAutoParts? I've been shopping rotors and pads myself.

Wearever brand rotors are China junk also! Found some more info from from "Affinia Under Vehicle Group" below!

Raybestos® brand brakes are produced by Affinia Under Vehicle Group, the leading manufacturer of braking systems and components for the automotive industry. The line includes everything from brake drums to rotors, pads, shoes and hydraulic parts. Affinia Under Vehicle Group is at the forefront of research and development in brake technology and operates manufacturing and distribution facilities throughout North America. Raybestos® brand brakes are the official brakes of NASCAR, and the NASCAR relationship also includes the Raybestos Rookie of the Year Award, which is presented to the top rookie in each of the NASCAR NEXTEL Cup, Busch and Craftsman Truck racing series. For more information about Raybestos® brand brakes, visit www.raybestos.com.

Affinia Group Inc. is a global leader in the on- and off-highway replacement parts and service industry. In North America the Affinia family of brands includes WIX® Filters, Raybestos® brand brakes and Aimco® brake products, and McQuay-Norris® and Spicer® Chassis parts. South American and European brands include Nakata®, Urba® and Quinton Hazell®. For more information, visit www.affiniagroup.com.

[BNaylor]

Now that you brought it up Bo, the Raybestos Aimco brand is Made in China. I recall installing them in my in law's '98 LeSabre. Just a cheaper alternative to the Professional Grade Plus but sure beats Autozone's Duralast brand. So far it has accumulated at least 30K miles since the complete brake job and no problems to date. Definitely no rotor warp or excessive lateral runout.

RAYBESTOS PG PLUS™ Rotors offer the most complete line of VSM™ vehicle specific metallurgy rotors, the latest development in rotor technology. These premium, high-quality rotors feature 103 distinct vane configurations, to ensure your replacement part matches Original Equipment design . The rotors have an ultra smooth braking surface to reduce noise, dust and maximize disc pad life. Compared to economy rotors, PG PLUS VSM Rotors are three times quieter, can stop your vehicle 22.5 feet sooner and provide up to 30% more pad life. They are designed to provide the highest levels of dependability, safety and superior performance.

[HotZ28]

Thanks Bob and yes, the Amico "Raysbestos" brand are made in China, however, their quality standards are evidently better than some of the competition. Still, for an $30 extra bucks, you can have PG Plus, and the satisfaction of knowing that you got the real thing! Heavy cars demand quality brake componants!

[BNaylor]

I would say the same is applicable to the smaller GM cars that are made to go faster than intended.

Here is the Raybestos PG Plus rotor with new AC Delco hubs on an '02 Olds Alero GL2. My son needs them after blowing the doors off those riceburners, of course at the drag strip.

And just think we aren't even getting paid for our testimonials.

[C man]

Funny animation. My brother has a honda passport. Tried to out race me when I first go my car. Needless to say it smelled like burnt rice when I got done.

[C man]

I went to autozone today to get some spark plugs. I told the guy that I bought some rotors from them and that they were warped. He looked at me crazy and said that my rotors couldn't be warped but that they were glazed. maybe from going thru some water while the rotors was hot and that I should get them turned. Could that be true? That would mean u would have to turn the rotors everytime it rained. To me if u have to get the rotors turned that means they're warped. I didn't want to argue with him. But I told him I would just replace them with some new one. I want to get the bendix rotors and pads but I just don't have the extra money. I need a paint job bad (GM white paint) which I plan on getting soon. So my question is does the parts man have some kind of arugument or is he a know-it-all .

[HotZ28]

Well, look at this way, if the AZ “parts man knows it all” he would not be working at AutoZone! He may know just enough to try and confuse the customer into thinking that they sell quality parts and he has been trained to avoid warranty claims by blaming the defect on the customer. Did he even look at the rotors, or just make an assumption based on what you told him? Take the rotors and pads back and tell them that the parts are defective and all you want is your money back! Take your refund and go to Advanced and buy the Bendix rotors/pads.

[C man]

Hey it me again I'm posting to this thread before the three month rule comes up becuase I going to post again i a couple of days. But I have a update on the rotor situation. Due to finaces I couldn't get the bendix rotors and pads. So I went back to autozone and got the rotors and pads replaced. Well two months later they're warped again. So tommorrow I'm gonna order some bendix rotors and pads from advance auto. I've learned my lesson. Can I still get my money back even though I already replace then once?

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by C man

Can I still get my money back even though I already replace then once?

See the AZ Warranty details shown below: (Notice the "at our option" comment)

We will replace, or refund your money for, at our option, any part we sell that wears out or breaks under warranty. Your warranty starts on the day you buy the part and expires at the end of warranty period stated on the receipt or when you sell your vehicle - whichever comes first. To obtain a replacement part, visit any AutoZone store or contact AutoZone.com at 1-800-288-6966 to arrange return shipping. Replacement parts are warranted for the remainder of the warranty period or 90 days, whichever is longer. The warranty does not cover defects due to improper installation, other defective parts, low fluid levels, abuse, or commercial, off-road or marine use.
THIS LIMITED WARRANTY REPRESENTS THE TOTAL LIABILITY OF AUTOZONE FOR ANY WARRANTIED PART, AND AUTOZONE MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. AUTOZONE SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES.
Some states do not allow limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, or exclusion or limitation on incidental or consequential damages, so the above limitations may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights, which vary from state to state.
All of AutoZone's parts, except those, mentioned previously, are covered by our Limited Warranty. The length of AutoZone's Limited Warranty varies with each part. To locate the length of our Warranty for your part, please visit our Shopping area.

[Jrs3800]

I have to say I have been through too many sets of Rotors on these large cars... Got tired of them warping all of the time and bought Bendix Rotors... At the time they were still made in the US, and were great quality... I also bought the Bendix Titanium Metallic Pads... Its been 3 very long and abusive years... Still no warp on the rotors.. They have worn very well as have the pads.. After 3 years and my driving style they have held up great.. And the part I liked the most was even after long runs on the interstate the Brake fade with them is next to nothing...

On the 95 Transport( 94-96 Used the H and C Body Rotors ).... On this one I have gone a different route... Myself and a buddy do a lot of automotive work on the side and deal with his brother in law( works at a parts store, We get great prices )... I have a set of Wagner Rotors and Pads... They look to be pretty decent quality and look better than whats currently on the van.. I'll have to see how they fair on my trip home and back.. From what I understand, some of the Advance Auto parts are starting to carry the Wagner Rotors and pads..

Autozone rotors suck..
Advance Wearever( They suck just as bad as the above )

Bendix.... I am not sure of their quality of standards these days... They are not making the product they did several years ago..

I would love to have a set of Power Slot Rotors for the Van... But don't have the $$$ for them at the current..

CMAN, let us know how the brake job goes..

[HotZ28]

Since this thread started, I have personally upgraded the brakes on my 96-Ultra with Raysbestos “Advanced Technology” rotors and Raysbestos “Quite-Stop” ceramic pads. After two months of some hard abusive driving (after the break-in period), I will once again provide Raysbestos with some free advertising. This is the best combination for the money on the market!! I have tried many other combinations of rotors/pads (including Bendix) and have never had anything come close to the stopping power of this set-up. Every stop is straight & sure, with no apparent fade. The rear drums & shoes were replaced earlier with new Raysbestos PG-Plus. After some hard driving, I checked the wheel & rotor temps with my Raytec Lazar thermometer and both checked below 180 deg, much lower than with the OEM rotors & semi-metallic pads. An additional benefit of the ceramic pads are, they leave very little brake dust on the wheels. I could not find the rotors or pads in stock @ my local Advanced Auto, so I ordered them online & had them shipped to my door. BTW, shipping was free and no TAX added. These were shipped from Phoenix, AZ and I had them within one week from the order date. Both rotors & pads for the front, cost about $160.00 total. Some pics after the install shown below. Notice the nice powder coating (inside & out) on the hubs to prevent rust!

[C man]

I got the Bendix rotors and Wagner pads. I'm about to do them once my rotors cool down. The manager told me they don't carry bendix pads anymore. I got a 10% discount, since I'm a good customer,so I saved $16 dollar on a 160 dollar tab. Now I'll have to see if autozone will give me my money back.

[HotZ28]

Don't forget to knock the sleeves out of the calipers to clean & lubricate the slides and pins. Good luck with AZ!