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#16
02-07-2003, 03:49 PM
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Thanks guys. I am keeping the Z for my daily driver. I figure I could put the same amount of my money into the X7 and have a hellova lot faster car, than I would with the Z. I will probably go with the 5.0, even though I really do like Chevy a lot more. But, who knows!
 
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   R.I.P. "Mama (my Z)" . . . But now we have the VR-4 #683/2000 "Dude, You fucking passed the test, but just barely, wanna know what you got?...F+......CLICK!" -Tenacious D(Jack BLack)- "Official Moron Crew Founder!" 
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#17
02-07-2003, 08:12 PM
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Ah, don't fall into the trap of brand loyalty
The 5.0 is perfect for this application, at least for a street car. There would be big advantages to the chebby if this was a strip only car, but easier is better, trust me 
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#18
02-08-2003, 01:13 AM
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Welcome to the fold...
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Connor - Porsche Nazi since 2001, VW defiler since 2004 This here's a Fabrication forum! My lugnut requires more torque than your LS1 makes.
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#20
02-08-2003, 06:51 PM
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well
5.0 with some nice upgrades = very cheap easy and fast 350 chevy/ 383 mopar = near limitless power weeeee, hows the pocketbook? what about a 440/6? think that would fit?
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#21
02-08-2003, 07:55 PM
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The best choice for a 1st generation V8 swap is the Ford 5.0 engine. It's capable of making every bit as much power as a Chevy engine, assumint the displacement is the same. It has a short deck height, and weighs about 410 lbs with all accessories attached(except the clutch).
The original 12A rotary weighs 355 lbs, so the weight gain is minimal, and can be easily offset by relocating the battery to the trunk. I'd say gaining around 80 lbs for 3.8 liters of displacement is a bargain You can buy off the shelf forged shortblock components for the 5.0, and combined with the necessary fuel upgrades, will make for a great turbocharged engine. There is enough room in the engine bay too.
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#22
02-10-2003, 03:40 PM
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That was going to be my next question. Is there any single turbo upgrades? If not, a decent s/charger? The twin t upgrades put out awssome power, but are pricy. I wanted to keep this a cheep/powerful project car. Thanks fellas!...CLick!
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#23
02-10-2003, 04:19 PM
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It's a 5.0 Ford, anything that can be done to it has been done to it, and can be done to it cheaply
Hit a junkyard, get some T3s for buttons, have a turbo shop rebuild them with ball bearing centre sections. Same cost as a good new T4, and much better boost. Combine that with a forged bottom end, and we're talking about 600hp on pump gas. That's the point where you have to go to an automatic transmission just to handle the power
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Connor - Porsche Nazi since 2001, VW defiler since 2004 This here's a Fabrication forum! My lugnut requires more torque than your LS1 makes.
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#24
02-11-2003, 06:35 AM
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CLick!
Oh yeah I almost forgot! If I will be running out like 500-600 hp, what is my best bet for the tranny. The car is so light it would be almost uncontrollable. What are your opinions? Suspension also...
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#25
02-11-2003, 12:32 PM
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Well, the stock T5 tranny isn't good for much more than stock torque, so I'd forget about that if you want 325+ lbft.
The T56 is always a good bet, you can get models that will take 650 lbft, from Tremec. That's the kind of power you'd be making with a turbocharged 347 stroker. Of course, those are quite pricey. Your best bet is to go with an auto to start with, and maybe get a stronger manual when you can afford it.
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02-12-2003, 11:22 AM
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OK. Now back on the subject of the turbos. If I go to a junk yard/ pick your part place. What vehicles should I look for that would have a T3. Getting it rebuilt is cake, I got friends in race shops who live for turbos. Next, what $ would you think it would run for intercooler + piping and stuff? A guy I work with used to work at a shop, and he said he could get me decent intercoolers for very cheap...i.e.>cost.
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#27
02-12-2003, 02:13 PM
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The T3 was used in many cars, in many different versions. The important thing to look for is a water cooled turbo, they are much longer lived, and it makes turbo timers easy to set up. There are too many cars to list, but turbo Volvo 240s had excellent Garrett T3s for a couple of years. I would leave the turbos for later, 300hp is a lot in a 2300lb car to start with
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#28
02-12-2003, 03:49 PM
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Very true! Might as well pick them up, before someone one else. Plus, I can be having the rebuilt. Then when time comes for the engine to be built up. I can just have my boy set it all up at once. This will mainly be a strip car. What would be a sain level of boost to run....for lets say....450-500hp? Plus could you give me maybe 2 or 3 more cars to search for?...Please...thanks bro....CLick!
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#29
02-12-2003, 05:10 PM
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Ummm Hate to break it to ya Cbass.. but a 350 Chevy isnt the same displacement as a Ford 5.0 (aka 302)... so thus by your words it cant make the same power. True Ford motors work nicely for the application but if its going to mainly be a strip car, might as well go for the Chevy/Mopar motors and have that limitless power R1-Rider mentioned. Oh dont forget Chevy parts are usually cheaper... especially when you're talking about forged internals. But of course if you do enough searching or know of a shop that'll locate you the parts for cheap then do what you wish. All, i've got to say is... if you're gonna make this a strip car... i've got three numbers for you. 4.. 2.. 7.. Might as well do the MoTown 427cid Smallblock 500hp all motor no sweat. 
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02-12-2003, 09:50 PM
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And for the record, Fords can make just as much power from the same displacement and gas that Chebbies or Dodges can 
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