92' 240SX se vs. 93' integra ls

[KrNxRaCer00]

the b series motors (VTEC ones) all come stock w/ the ability to rev up to 8k atleast w/ the b18c5 having a redline at 8400. the limiters are usually around 8200 for the other b'series motors, but u can change this pretty easily w/ a new chip. moral of the story=stock gsr/si/type r/rsx can all rev to 8k w/ NO mods.

[TatII]

yup, the stock 240's revs like garbage. the first 2 gears are okay but once you hit 3rd. it just takes forever to go through your power band. but alot of little things do help the car rev better though.

[Redline_civic91]

damn thats why you guys need to come into our world and feel the honda power. the only nissan i really like are the 300zx and 350z those are mad nice!!!!

[Fliquer]

No, thats why I gotta drop a SR20 in some day.

damn you shift at 5500 rpms. that sucks

I COULD shift at 6500, but my power curve falls off around 5700. My car pulls really strongly between 3500 and 5000.

[TatII]

well Redline_civic91 non of us are coming into your world. heh in fact most of you guys are comin to our world. and nissan makes plenty of nice cars that never came to the states. if you compare honda to nissan in any other country in the world. its no contest. nissan would wipe the floor with honda's. first off, 90% of nissan's fleet are turboed. making atleast 205hp, up to 350hp (skyline GT-R) nissan has station wagons that uses the skylines ATESSA ETS PRO with a RB25DET which makes 280hp. not bad for a station wagon huh? what about the nissan pulsar GTi-R's? those hatchbacks got SR20DET's with 4 individual throttle bodies, and AWD bolted on to a frame that weights 2300lbs, plus you have the S15 silvias that has 247hp on a 2700lb frame, then you have bluebirds (japanese version of the older body altima's) those also ran on SR20DET 's but they are also all wheel drives. you understand how performance orient nissan is in every where else in the world? the reason why nissan would downgrade all of its fleet here and non even bring some of hte cars here is because they know that most automatic loving american's can't aprieciate a good high performance car at a bargain price even if it runs them over.

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by TatII
well Redline_civic91 non of us are coming into your world. heh in fact most of you guys are comin to our world. and nissan makes plenty of nice cars that never came to the states. if you compare honda to nissan in any other country in the world. its no contest. nissan would wipe the floor with honda's. first off, 90% of nissan's fleet are turboed. making atleast 205hp, up to 350hp (skyline GT-R) nissan has station wagons that uses the skylines ATESSA ETS PRO with a RB25DET which makes 280hp. not bad for a station wagon huh? what about the nissan pulsar GTi-R's? those hatchbacks got SR20DET's with 4 individual throttle bodies, and AWD bolted on to a frame that weights 2300lbs, plus you have the S15 silvias that has 247hp on a 2700lb frame, then you have bluebirds (japanese version of the older body altima's) those also ran on SR20DET 's but they are also all wheel drives. you understand how performance orient nissan is in every where else in the world? the reason why nissan would downgrade all of its fleet here and non even bring some of hte cars here is because they know that most automatic loving american's can't aprieciate a good high performance car at a bargain price even if it runs them over.

Nissans are good cars but hondas are also. Just because some nissans come in turbo or high horsepower doesn't make them all high and mighty. Hondas are weak in stock form but when it comes down to being modded you got urself a challenge.

[TatII]

everyone knows that its is almost impossible to get big gains for cheap with a extremely small n/a motor. esp if they are built almost to perfection such as a honda motor. that is why most honda's don't gain crap hp even after you throw in over 1000 into them, and what kind of gains do you usually get? 10hp at the wheels? the power per dollar ratio on mods are horrible. that is why my friends were soo surprised to actually be able to feel the gains on my car from such little stuff. the thing is, when honda actually tries to get the most out of the engine in stock form, nissan usually restricts it. so their n/a cars makes good gains. if you look at what a S14 can gain at the wheels with headers,exhuast, intake, and a pulley, the car gained 19hp at the wheels. when hondas with similar mods like i said only get half the gains. now we all know that turbo amplifies the effects of mods by around 3X. for lets say if you put the same set of pullies would gain over 25hp at the wheels for a 300zx TT, so that is why i love nissans for using turbo. now the only advantage that i see in most honda's is that they are all extremely lights. so it would take less power to make the car fast.

[mellowboy]

Don't compare turbo nissans to hondas. Of course they gonna gain big cause of turbo vs N/a. If honda went turbo they'd be just as fast or faster. I think we both know that. Now for n/a nissan compared to n/a honda. I still think honda is better at that part. My boy has a 240 with basic bolts ons. He lost to a 95 hatchback si that doesn't even have a swap! From what he says its slow. I dont know man but i think both companies are good and in order to be fast u have to have money either way. As for me i'm still gettin me a nissan pulsar with a ca18det swap. SO i'm down for any cars that interests me.

[TatII]

wow he lost to a civic si hatch? wow those things are slow. what did he do to it to make it beat a 240 with bolt ons?

[TatII]

wow he lost to a civic si hatch? wow those things are slow. what did he do to it to make it beat a 240 with bolt ons? and as for honda's being faster on boost then nissans, i wouldn't agree. vtec is virtually useless once boost comes into the equation. and, since honda blocks area all aluminium with lightweight pistons. the engine wouldn't run very long unless you do some serious re enforcements. since nissans comes turbo they're pretty rugged from start. they can for over 100K miles, and the SR can hold up to 450hp on stock internals, the KA can hold up to 300whp on stock internals, and skylines RB can hold up to 600hp on stock internals. see the way nissans are is they always over built their stuff, and the VQ blocks all have chrome molybium internals which is also some very very strong shit. so if your just goin to do a basic bolt on, it would take alot less money because you wouldn't need to build your engine first.

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by TatII
wow he lost to a civic si hatch? wow those things are slow. what did he do to it to make it beat a 240 with bolt ons? and as for honda's being faster on boost then nissans, i wouldn't agree. vtec is virtually useless once boost comes into the equation. and, since honda blocks area all aluminium with lightweight pistons. the engine wouldn't run very long unless you do some serious re enforcements. since nissans comes turbo they're pretty rugged from start. they can for over 100K miles, and the SR can hold up to 450hp on stock internals, the KA can hold up to 300whp on stock internals, and skylines RB can hold up to 600hp on stock internals. see the way nissans are is they always over built their stuff, and the VQ blocks all have chrome molybium internals which is also some very very strong shit. so if your just goin to do a basic bolt on, it would take alot less money because you wouldn't need to build your engine first.

Who said anything about v-tec? NOT all nissans are faster than hondas no matter how strong they're engines are. Yes it takes more money to make a honda real fast but please dont tell me thats the reason why you think hondas arent' good? Yes the hatchback had basic bolts ons also.

[TatII]

oh trust me, i don't hate on hondas. all my friends drive hondas. and they are amazingly quick if they are done right. they can be faster with less power then a nissan. i was just brining up a few points thats all. i use to be a real honda hater, but i respect them more now because i occassionally get beat by a few and i'm not surprised anymore.

[KrNxRaCer00]

like that prelude aye?

[TatII]

yeah, but i also like type R's alot, and one of my friend's dad has a nsx type T. heh

[Fliquer]

^^Type T? As in targa?