The pointlessness of college

[drunken monkey]

The other major thing that a university/college education gives you is useful networking even before you're qualified to do anything.
Nepotism is a great thing and opens many doors.
It doesn't guarantee anything as ultimately it's up to you to get inside those doors and stay there but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't make a difference.

[freakray]

Originally Posted by lazy ass

That's the part I'm questioning. If you have a major with classes full of girls and football players, the likelihood of pointlessness becomes very, very high.

That's just stereotyping at its best.

It's evident that you either consider yourself above getting an education or that you are true to your screen name and are too lazy to put the effort in to get something out of it.

Most football players in college are actually reasonably smart and have to put just as much effort into their education as anybody else. They may tend to take majors more in line with business or other administrative fields, but they also have to rely on their time in college off the field to get into a decent job after college. Last I checked, 'outside linebacker' doesn't get you too many jobs outside of college unless you've made it into the NFL.

[lazy ass]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

also, most degrees still take a good ammount of work to complete. dumb people are less likely to make it through (although it's not uncommon that they do). the people that make it through are usually at least somewhat intelligent or can at least work a bit hard.

You're in EE, you do roughly 69 gazillion times more work than the typical college student. You're a minority, only like 12% of degrees are in the sciences, probably only half of that for engineering. You do so, so, so much more work than all the girls in sweatpants in psych101. This thread is about college in general, not l337 kids like you.

[drunken monkey]

I say, if you find yourself in a class that has a high female percentage and you still can't see the point, then well.... you're definitely missing something.

[lazy ass]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

I say, if you find yourself in a class that has a high female percentage and you still can't see the point, then well.... you're definitely missing something.

I have been known to get laid

[00accord44]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

I say, if you find yourself in a class that has a high female percentage and you still can't see the point, then well.... you're definitely missing something.

amen brother

[beef_bourito]

Originally Posted by lazy ass

You're in EE, you do roughly 69 gazillion times more work than the typical college student. You're a minority, only like 12% of degrees are in the sciences, probably only half of that for engineering. You do so, so, so much more work than all the girls in sweatpants in psych101. This thread is about college in general, not l337 kids like you.

well being an engineer, i'm a pompous asshole and hate everything artsie or anything less than engineering (if you're ever on campus during frosh week you'll know what i'm talking about.) and it's going to hurt me alot to say this, but artsies also have to work alot. a friend of mine is doing 2 courses and he's usually got a novel to read and understand every week and a paper to write about it.

as for the work i do, you'd probably laugh if you saw how little i do. sure some people do alot of work and get really high marks or are just scraping by, but i do shit all and get middle of the range marks.

anyways i've got a few links that'll show the usefullness of education:

(PDF) http://www.glencoe.com/sec/socialstu...04C-820487.pdf
http://www.nccp.org/publications/pub_685.html

if you want more proof, just google "education, income" and i'm sure you'll find alot of stuff to show you.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by lazy ass

I have been known to get laid

this is the internet; pics or it never happened.

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

well being an engineer, i'm a pompous asshole and hate everything artsie or anything less than engineering

so do architects get you all confused then?

[beef_bourito]

what do you think is more likely to get you laid? "i'm a highschool/college dropout" or "I'm on my way to earning an engineering degree and i just made the finals at provincials in rowing this year."

[beef_bourito]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

so do architects get you all confused then?

ARCHITECTS DON'T KNOW WTF THEY'RE DOING!!!!

they just design something, then give it to us engineers, who actually know how to build buildings, and tell us to make it work. then we sign the design and get the big paycheck. but some of the stuff they try to do just doesn't make sense and should get them shot. if you ever want to see a crazy turk, try talking to a friend of mine's dad (a civil engineer) about architects

[lazy ass]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

if you want more proof, just google "education, income" and i'm sure you'll find alot of stuff to show you.

Yeah, I know about that data, I took sociology in high school. It tends to be skewed though by the fact that l337 nerds get high paying jobs straight out of school. It doesn't tend to specifically address the sweatpant-wearing girl with a psych degree.

As for you doing nothing, it might be because you knew your shit beforehand. Some kids struggle with math and can fritter away hours trying to understand the shit. I'm in CS and it's an unwritten rule that we know everything before the first day of class, as it is not the business of professors to teach it to us.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

ARCHITECTS DON'T KNOW WTF THEY'RE DOING!!!!

they just design something, then give it to us engineers, who actually know how to build buildings, and tell us to make it work. then we sign the design and get the big paycheck. but some of the stuff they try to do just doesn't make sense and should get them shot. if you ever want to see a crazy turk, try talking to a friend of mine's dad (a civil engineer) about architects

ouch.
On the other hand, you should hear what architects have to say about engineers....
Having spent 3 years on a campus that housed the civil engineers, structural engineers, landscape architects, architects and QS guys, nights at the bar were heated to say the least.

[beef_bourito]

haha yeah i've gotten into a few of those arguments, it'll be interesting once i switch to civil engineering (known around here as engineering for dummies), i'll probably have an even stronger oppinion about it.

all things aside though, those fuckers work hard as hell. there's a bridge/tunnel from 3rd floor eng building to 4th floor architect building (which is the worst designed building on campus btw) and you'll often see architects sleeping there with a sign on them saying "wake me up at 5:30" or something like that. it's a heated tunnel so it's nice to sleep in apparently.

and lazy ass, what do you mean by the data's skewed by the fact that "l337 nerds" get jobs straight out whereas others don't? i believe they get their data from employed people, meaning that it would be an accurate representation of the field.

[freakray]

beef burrito, please stop giving engineers a poor name, reading your description of yourself makes me think you're in the minority of engineers.
What field of engineering are you going into anyhow?

If it's EE, I don't see what you have to do with architects - you guys don't come into the picture until it's too late and end up making a lot of compromises and taking shortcuts because the civil guys blew the budget

As for architects - I have to agree with you - they know how to make a pretty sketch but have little concept of how the sketch becomes reality.

Originally Posted by lazy ass

. I'm in CS and it's an unwritten rule that we know everything before the first day of class, as it is not the business of professors to teach it to us.

That goes for any good school, the engineering school I went to was the same - the professors weren't there to teach us the work, they were there to answer questions when they came up.

[lazy ass]

Originally Posted by freakray

That goes for any good school, the engineering school I went to was the same - the professors weren't there to teach us the work, they were there to answer questions when they came up.

I don't go to a good school.