OMFG I Wana KIll this B*^*^!

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

the girl and her boy friend who rear ended my mother

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

.....women wasn't paying attention doing about 40 or so smashes into us at a dead stop. No I'm not exaggerating she smashed us so hard it ripped out all the ash trays in the car and pinched the rear panels in..... liscence plate is imbeded in the rear bumper of our car..... she hit us so hard she pushed us strait foward

I'm confused. Everything you say sounds like you got hit from behind.

By the way.
Don't let the apparent scale of damage make you think the crash is worse than it is. Most Airbag systems don't go off unless the decceleration is massive. Also I said before, the car is designed to fall apart, especially if it is damage to the front. If it doesn't and in that almost unique way that MB cars are designed to do AND if the accident was as bad as you say it was, if your mother was alive, she wouldn't have legs. Airbags are also designed to be life savers. If the airbags didn't go off, it was because they didn't need to. Seeing as you're alive and posting, it means they didn't need to.
Also, you obviously don't know how airbag sensors work either.

Again, you brother wasn't there. Even if he was, it still has no bearing on the accident. Oh shit, I ran over a cat yesterday. The fucked up thing is, usually, there are people walking around there.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by freakray

To me, that statement tells me you don't know how ABS works.

ABS is the system that that regulates pressure applied by the brake pedal so that they do not lock up. It still can result in total brake if the lines are pinched regardless.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

I'm confused. Everything you say sounds like you got hit from behind.

By the way.
Don't let the apparent scale of damage make you think the crash is worse than it is. Most Airbag systems don't go off unless the decceleration is massive. Also I said before, the car is designed to fall apart, especially if it is damage to the front. If it doesn't and in that almost unique way that MB cars are designed to do AND if the accident was as bad as you say it was, if your mother was alive, she wouldn't have legs. Airbags are also designed to be life savers. If the airbags didn't go off, it was because they didn't need to. Seeing as you're alive and posting, it means they didn't need to.
Also, you obviously don't know how airbag sensors work either.

The apparent SCALE of damage is very bad considering the whole frame is swayed 4 inches (That is alot). She also cracked both front motor mounts as well but I'm sure that's just minor damage right? Air bag sensors go off resulting on deccelerating force. We were plowed into the back of another car so hard it bent the frame 4 inches off that is NOT a light tap. I've worked at body shops and 4 inches should have been plenty of enough to set off the air bags.

Btw ~ The headlight of the driver side was pushed back almost to the firewall. That is plenty of enough justifacation for an air bag to deploy...

Funny how you react as though it couldn't have been any failure of any sorts by mercedes.

[drunken monkey]

No, I'm reacting to the fact that;
i) you don't seem to understand how a car, especially a Mercedes' crumple zones work.
ii) you fail to understand that if the airbags didn't go off, they probably didn't need to go off. Again, you make no mention of any inury except possible whiplash. I'm sure if there were any significant injuries, you would've mentioned them by now. As far as I can tell, the thing that you seem concerned about, is the car and the damage to it.

ABS is not a magic spell that stops the wheels from skidding/rolling when they're not pointing in the direction of travel.

By the way, enlighten me, what did you do at a bodywork shop again?

[freakray]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

ABS is the system that that regulates pressure applied by the brake pedal so that they do not lock up. It still can result in total brake if the lines are pinched regardless.

Clever boy understands the principal of ABS but not how the system's mechanisms work.
ABS is not the brakes lines, it is an electrical system which controls the pressure in the brake lines to prevent the brakes locking.
Your ABS system can be operational regardless of whether the brake lines are cut or crimped or even removed. In the auto plants, we tested ABS systems before the rotors were even installed on the car.

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

Air bag sensors go off resulting on deccelerating force.

Do you proof read your posts?

[BLU CIVIC]

ok ok...it was an accident...you'd know if she had ment to do it on purpose...the car is totaled...ok, that's what insurance is for and you'll get another...you got injured, insurance will cover that too...i really don't think we need to go into the mechanics of how safety features work on automobiles...what's done is done...still angry, play mortal combat and pretend you're beating her up...other than that, let it go

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

ABS is not a magic spell that stops the wheels from skidding/rolling when they're not pointing in the direction of travel.

By the way, enlighten me, what did you do at a bodywork shop again?

The brake's failed not just the abs. It was total brake failure

Enlighten you ~ Hardly worth the time for someone so set in his ways and views of others.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by freakray

Clever boy understands the principal of ABS but not how the system's mechanisms work.
ABS is not the brakes lines, it is an electrical system which controls the pressure in the brake lines to prevent the brakes locking.
Your ABS system can be operational regardless of whether the brake lines are cut or crimped or even removed. In the auto plants, we tested ABS systems before the rotors were even installed on the car.

I will say that I think it was something because the brakes failed before frontal impact which means there was a failure else where. If it controls the pressure persay can it not result in a slight or even total loss of the brakes if pressure is leaked or kinked? You said said it was a system. Sometimes in a certain systems ex. Xmas lights if one fails they all fail, could be the case right?

[freakray]

Brakes can fail without ABS failure.
Brakes can operate even if ABS fails.

Assuming the car is equipped with power brakes, if that system fails, you can have resultant brake loss.

ABS controls the pressure to prevent wheel lock, the overall system pressure is a separate system. ABS controls the max line pressure, not minimum.

[drunken monkey]

As you say, you got hit fro behind quite hard which resulted in your front wheels being forced to turn and lock. At this point your car was sliding. Your mother stomping on the brakes wouldn't have done much seeing as grip was lost already.

Just so you know, one of the key features of Mercedes' crumple zones is that the engine drops and the car/passengers ride over the engine (sort of). If there was sign of movement on the engine mounts, that might be indication that particular engineering feature was activated. The same goes for the front end structural arms. Of course, without seeing photo's of the wreck, it's hard to say for sure what's going on and dnything is purely (educated) guess-work.

Anyway.
It sounds to me like the car did exactly what it was supposed to do. Put it this way, if the crash was as severe as you say it was, you are still here, alive and well and posting with only a stiff neck to account for. Pretty good job I say. Be thankful you weren't in something like a 1990s fiat or freelander.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

As you say, you got hit fro behind quite hard which resulted in your front wheels being forced to turn and lock. At this point your car was sliding. Your mother stomping on the brakes wouldn't have done much seeing as grip was lost already.

Just so you know, one of the key features of Mercedes' crumple zones is that the engine drops and the car/passengers ride over the engine (sort of). If there was sign of movement on the engine mounts, that might be indication that particular engineering feature was activated. The same goes for the front end structural arms. Of course, without seeing photo's of the wreck, it's hard to say for sure what's going on and dnything is purely (educated) guess-work.

Anyway.
It sounds to me like the car did exactly what it was supposed to do. Put it this way, if the crash was as severe as you say it was, you are still here, alive and well and posting with only a stiff neck to account for. Pretty good job I say. Be thankful you weren't in something like a 1990s fiat or freelander.

I agree on that last quote.

I know what crumple zones do and how they work and yes they did work, the main key parts for saftey didn't. Our wheels were cut to the right already they weren't forced, We tried to get out of the way but she was going so fast we couldn't accel in time so we hit the brakes and prepared for the worst. I felt the brakes go out after the initial impact. Also after we hit we kept going (might have actaully been acceling after the front impact. We rolled over 30ft from the initial front impact not rear! We hit the brakes before & after the frontal collision accident. I'm sorry bu t in this case is mercedes is clearly at fault because we might have been able to stop before we hit the car in front, we did have room.

[freakray]

Have you considered that having the front wheels turned may have been the cause of the brake line damage and resultant loss of braking - if this is found to be the case, Mercedes is not at fault.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by freakray

Have you considered that having the front wheels turned may have been the cause of the brake line damage and resultant loss of braking - if this is found to be the case, Mercedes is not at fault.

Why would that result in failure? So you mean to tell me everytime the wheels cut when making a turn the brakes are allowed to go out? The brakes have 2 separate systems Front right + rear left & front left + rear right so even if one side fails you have another. Why would one wheel damage 2 systems? That makes no sence and in some cases higher end companies use 4 separate systems. There is no way one could cause all systems to fail there was something that had an interal failure. I think you fail to comprehend how serious total brake failure is this wasn't a typical one system failure. Never in my life have I experienced complete brake loss.

[drunken monkey]

Has it occured to you that the impact and resultant force/pressure on the brakes/wheels/hubs etc during the initial collision might've done something to them? It also doesn't take that much to make a car lose traction and spin when it comes to impacts. I'm still not sure what you are describing. How did you feel the brakes went? Do you mean the wheels had locked? Were the wheels still rolling? What did the pedal do? What did the wheels do when you pressed on the pedal?

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Has it occured to you that the impact and resultant force/pressure on the brakes/wheels/hubs etc during the initial collision might've done something to them? It also doesn't take that much to make a car lose traction and spin when it comes to impacts. I'm still not sure what you are describing. How did you feel the brakes went? Do you mean the wheels had locked? Were the wheels still rolling? What did the pedal do? What did the wheels do when you pressed on the pedal?

i don't know how he can tell you how the pedal felt when he wasn't doing the driving

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

My mom hits the brakes all the way and this women wasn't paying attention doing about 40 or so smashes into us at a dead stop.

Also my mom cut the wheel and floored it out of the way (last moment attempt) but it wasn't in time she hit us so hard she pushed us strait foward when our wheels were cocked right!

Also the brakes on are car went completely out!!
Joe

i know how you know they went out w/o the car being looked at by a professional...but how do you know they went out? being hit at 40mph did you thing that hitting the brakes would keep you from moving foward?