The AE86 is coming back!

[93rollaracer]

Originally Posted by rice(er)

93rollaracer, the mk4 supra ran until 2002 in Japan, four years ago would be 2003.

I'm referring to the US Supra, which has been rumored to be making a comeback ever since it went off the market. The Lexus imitations don't count.

[rice(er)]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Ya mean the 200X Domestic Market Supra that has been coming to the states since '99? Or the 150k Lexus that, if the SC was any indication, no one will buy?

the "son-of-supra" is exactly that, the supra's son. The "supra" name is dead, hence the "son-of-supra" nickname given to the upcoming car that will compete with the Nissan GT-R. Not sure if you guys are up-to-date with the supra's son rumors recently, but current idications states a v-6 and v-8 option. V-6(300-350HP), $30K+ or so, V-8(400-450HP) $40K+. The Lexus LF-A is competing in it's own class, chasing down /porsches/ferraris/etc if I'm not mistaken, V-10(under 5 Liters) (550HP+) and 200+ MPH, with a $150K range pricetag. This supercar is derived from Toyota's F1 knowledge, 9,000+ RPMs, dual vvtl-i, etc. If I had the money, I would buy one, F1 engine FTW!

[CassiesMan]

Rice(er), get it through your head, there will not be another Supra. Period. Just like Ferrari will not make another Dino, Toyota will not make another Supra. Magazine rumors are just that, rumors that rarely, if ever, have backing. Using the same Ferrari example, all the magazines had Dino return cover stories, and the CEO of Ferrari came out and said that Ferrari will not do that, and he has no idea where the rumors come from. Until I see an official press release on that V6/V8 Supra, not one in the "Rumors and Lies" section of SCC, I will continue to hold there will be no Supra. And connections with "high ranking toyota insiders" (that 99% of the time are interns) don't count.

The time for the Supra has come and gone. Toyota has dominated the market with their fuel sipping daily driven econoboxes, not the Supras and Celicas and MR2s and the like. That and their trucks. Look at their line up as it is right now...where is there a sports car? Where? There isn't one. They have cornered the market and dominated through cheap production methods and kicking the "fleet cars" to the curb. Not with sports cars and awesome super cars. Their major advertisment catch is the milage you can get with a Toyota. And besides, they are so busy sucking off Al Gore right now, they wouldn't want to release some high power sports car for risk of loosing all those idiot greens.

That Lexus LF-A, while not only existing as the only up "possible" car that looks uglier than the new 1er, is going to be a complete and total flop. Chevy was smart, and didn't try to market the Zed to the Supercar group, they marketed to the segment that would eat up the Z06s, and they did. Yes, the Z06 will out perform most of the Euro Supercars, but Euro Supercar owners don't want a Chevy, they want the Raging Bull or the Prancing Horse or the Tueton Terrors. Chevy was smart, didn't advertise to that group, and I think the Z06 is a great success.

Toyota is going to loose so many possibly buyers with a 150K Lexus. Especially when they are running behind the pack. There is nothing special about the technology on the LF-A at all. Nothing. The M6 has 500hp, capable of around 200mph stock (BMW is playing the Chevy game now, under rating everything), and and F1 derived 5.0L V10. That LF-A is so late to the game, it wont even compete. And be perfectly honest. If you had the type of money it takes to buy a 150K plus car, are you gonna buy the Toyota or the Lambo/Ferrari/Porsche/BMW?

[rice(er)]

we shall see cassie, we shall see....

and being perfectly honest, if i had the money, i would buy the Lexus.

[CassiesMan]

Yeah, you would. But I guess being last has become common place so its just something your used to.

[CivRacer95]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Yeah, you would. But I guess being last has become common place so its just something your used to.

No reason to insult there cassies. It's just as you stated. The Z06 was marketed to those who would want the Z06. You can clearly tell that's where rice(er) is coming from.

I'd imagine that Toyota/Lexus is marketing their upcoming 150K Lexus to those seeking the next performance car from Toyota. I'd understand if rice(er) planned on buying the new Lexus, because well, he's a devoted Toyota guy. More than likely, Toyota themselves aren't planning on trying to pursuade most of the market to buy their next "performance" car, but rather give their own enthusiasts a reason to keep buying from their company.

Preference and choice is a free right to any enthusiast. So why rob them of their chioce just because there are "so many better" choices out there. You could argue with him all day, but it probably won't make a difference. In the end, he's still going to want that 150K Lexus. End of story.

[Chiquae07]

well, all this 150k lexus,is going to be good for toyota. eventually, those parts and technology used in this new lexus, will be presented into the lower models.

think of the integra. most of it came from revisions of nsx parts.

this just sets toyota up just like honda in that department.

eventually we will have a new celica, given a different name, and a 'gts-r' version of some new 'sports 4 cylinder'.

[vectorspecialist]

ok to give an idea as to how dumb it is for lexus/toyota to put the lf-a at 150k+. there is all this hype about the nissan gtr being a nissan, because that's what it has always been and that's y it is a nissan, but originally they wanted it badged as an infiniti because...who want's to spend 60k+ on a nissan? justify it.
i would because i know the liniage of the car, i know where it's coming from, the lf-a is coming from left field, from a company that has never made a supercar(no the surpa really isnt one). and trying to compete with companies such as porsche, ferrari, lambo, pagani, mercedes, spyker, and god knows who else. it's not gonna work, imo.
for 150k, i could get a 480hp awd porsche turbo(which gives the prestige of owning one, but also the history of that company and the 911 alone) and still go out and get some shitbox honda civic for daily driving. i can get a 1yr old 430.
as for a new 86, i tihnk the idea is great. rwd coupe's have pretty much disapeared from under 30k. we got the mustang and that's really it.
the sales are still there for a cheap rwd coupe, nomatter what is said by mags

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

as for a new 86, i tihnk the idea is great. rwd coupe's have pretty much disapeared from under 30k. we got the mustang and that's really it.
the sales are still there for a cheap rwd coupe, nomatter what is said by mags

350Z is priced under 30k for a base
RX-8 is priced under 30k, mine was 29k and I don't have the base model and yes it's considered a coupe
Miata though a roadster is under 30k
Sky/Solstice

Any more that I missed?

[vectorspecialist]

miata/solstice/sky are roadstars, not coupes
the 350 is under 30k?
as for the rx8, that has 4drs, doesnt it?

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

miata/solstice/sky are roadstars, not coupes
the 350 is under 30k?
as for the rx8, that has 4drs, doesnt it?

I said the Miata/Solstice/sky were roadsters but they are under 30k and are rwd.

The RX-8 has 2 doors and 2 half doors that together weigh less than the 350z two doors. The RX-8 is also considered a coupe as it is in the same class and category and is a competitor to the 350z, it is also the most competitive car in B-stock for autocrossing with the 350 being close 2nd.

[vectorspecialist]

Originally Posted by Gotian

I said the Miata/Solstice/sky were roadsters but they are under 30k and are rwd.

The RX-8 has 2 doors and 2 half doors that together weigh less than the 350z two doors. The RX-8 is also considered a coupe as it is in the same class and category and is a competitor to the 350z, it is also the most competitive car in B-stock for autocrossing with the 350 being close 2nd.

and again the ae86 was a coupe not a roadster, the sky and soltice and mx5 are ROADSTERS not coupes. i wanted to buy one, i would kno. dont tell me they still count as coupes when they dont.
as for 350z and rx8, i just ddnt think about them. but even so i think about it, the ae86 new would b under 25k.

[drunken monkey]

why are you arguing over what is or isn't under $30K and RWd roadster or coupe?

[CivRacer95]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

and again the ae86 was a coupe not a roadster, the sky and soltice and mx5 are ROADSTERS not coupes. i wanted to buy one, i would kno. dont tell me they still count as coupes when they dont.
as for 350z and rx8, i just ddnt think about them. but even so i think about it, the ae86 new would b under 25k.

If you take the time to consider and read into what Gotian stated, he did infact mention that he knew the Solstice, Miata, and Sky were roadsters and not coupes.

Jeez, take a second to think about what you guys read before getting keyboard happy...

And besides, roadster or coupe, they're all great cars to me, especially coming in under $30K. How can you argue over bargains like that for the performance you receive from each one of them?

[-The Stig-]

You can still pick up LS2 GTO's for less than 30k brand new from the Dealerships. And they're still, to my knowlege, RWD and Coupes.