is type-R beatable?

[RiceEater T/A]

Whatever dictionary guy. True, a pure sports car is a two seater, 2+2s are grand touring cars. Its not like that definition is going to make the ITR any faster When Im talking about "fast" cars I mean Supra's, 300zx's, Fbodies, vettes well you get the picture. I wasn't making fun of the ITR or anything, just my opinion.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
Whatever dictionary guy. True, a pure sports car is a two seater, 2+2s are grand touring cars. Its not like that definition is going to make the ITR any faster When Im talking about "fast" cars I mean Supra's, 300zx's, Fbodies, vettes well you get the picture. I wasn't making fun of the ITR or anything, just my opinion.

those cars aren't really in the same class as the ITR.... not in the same price range either

[kris]

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
Whatever dictionary guy. True, a pure sports car is a two seater, 2+2s are grand touring cars. Its not like that definition is going to make the ITR any faster When Im talking about "fast" cars I mean Supra's, 300zx's, Fbodies, vettes well you get the picture. I wasn't making fun of the ITR or anything, just my opinion.

Yes, those are all nice cars. But when I think of a 'Sports Car' I dont think of those. I think of Ferraris, Lambo's, etc.

Here is a question. Have you ever seen, or had the chance to experiance, a lowly 4 banger stomp on a muscle car, or sports car that you mentioned? I have numerous times. I am not talking about in the mags, or on TV. I am talking about on the street, in the flesh.

To me, you cannot really define something as a Sports Car. I think there neds to be one defanition, and thats it. I do not drive a sports car, I do not drive a sports sedan either. If I wanted a car that puts out 300 horse, I would have bought one. What I want is a car, that is considered an underdog. That serves its purpose for what it was made for. I know of daily driven SE-R's, Civic's etc. that pull 12's and even 11's, that get great gas milage, that will pass emissions each year, and still can pick up the kids.

[Heep]

ITR's are very fast for a stock front drive 4 banger, but that's all they are. They have very nimble chassis and are great for a track, but they're just a hotrodded economy car.

I consider true sports cars small cars that are meant to be an extension of the human body, precise steering, etc...basically no amentities like rear seats, trunk room, cupholders, etc.

As Rice eater said, larger cars with amenities, 2+2's mostly, are grand tourers, meant to cover long distances fast and in comfort.

But just because something isn't a sports car doesn't mean it's not fast. A ITR or XKR will destroy a Miata in a straight line. They're just a different type of car. Anything can be fast.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by Heep

I consider true sports cars small cars

so you consider a Diablo or F50 small?!

[RiceEater T/A]

Originally posted by kbslacker

Here is a question. Have you ever seen, or had the chance to experiance, a lowly 4 banger stomp on a muscle car, or sports car that you mentioned? I have numerous times. I am not talking about in the mags, or on TV. I am talking about on the street, in the flesh.

To me, you cannot really define something as a Sports Car. I think there neds to be one defanition, and thats it. I do not drive a sports car, I do not drive a sports sedan either. If I wanted a car that puts out 300 horse, I would have bought one. What I want is a car, that is considered an underdog. That serves its purpose for what it was made for. I know of daily driven SE-R's, Civic's etc. that pull 12's and even 11's, that get great gas milage, that will pass emissions each year, and still can pick up the kids.

Actually no i haven't seen a 12 sec or less 4 bangar, but i know they exist. Just like theres a 12 second chrysler minivan and a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I'd rather drive a 350+hp car that is also reliable, I'm not rich, i cant have a daily driver and a weekend racer. So i need both in one package. Heavily modded cars are not too reliable, so i like to drive cars that were meant to go fast and not break from the factory

[gang$tarr]

i think it would cost less makin a ITR 350hp than buying a stock 350hp car

[RiceRocket]

Thats why you gotta mod out your car properlly so they last long and run reliably.

Also, the cheapest car to make fast i believe is a Supra since you can get a basic performance upgrade from suprastore.com and your supra will eat a ferrari easily. Anyway, the important thing is to do your mods properlly and not to abuse the car, maintain it well and you should be fine.

[RiceEater T/A]

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i think it would cost less makin a ITR 350hp than buying a stock 350hp car

umm a $24,000 Camaro dynos at around 350 at the flywheel, stock. Modding a car properly or not, internal engine mods put more strain on the block, shortening its lifespan. It also translates to stress on other factory parts which were not meant to handle an extra 150 hp, such as the transmission.

[kris]

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i think it would cost less makin a ITR 350hp than buying a stock 350hp car

Well, that is wrong, all the way.

[Heep]

Originally posted by gang$tarr


so you consider a Diablo or F50 small?!

Those are supercars, not sports cars.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by kbslacker


Well, that is wrong, all the way.

well that's why i said i think that it would be less

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A

umm a $24,000 Camaro dynos at around 350 at the flywheel, stock. Modding a car properly or not, internal engine mods put more strain on the block, shortening its lifespan. It also translates to stress on other factory parts which were not meant to handle an extra 150 hp, such as the transmission.

i didn't know camaros had that much power?! i don't know much about american cars (don't like'em)

[Mrcoilover]

yeah they have that much power. Your basically paying for the engine. That is why they are about the same. The type r is about the same price but I'd say you get alot more quality out of it, Japanese made being the reason behind that.

[gang$tarr]

i know this is off topic... but are there any websites where you can buy engines?