Faster top speed???

[jcrx]

FACT:freedomfisted is a hypocrite first he tells this guy he's an idiot for buying a dx then you want to say I don't know what I'm talking about.For I thing I am not some little 16 year old who just learned how to drive and the car a got now isn't my first buildup.And I've seen so many people saying stuff like "why isn't my dx able to beat anything on the road except yugo's,Ijust don't understand"BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RACE CAR!!!!!!!!If you don't want people to pull on you you got spend lot's of money building up a sohc and yea quite a bit swapping and boosting and all that other stuff but if you start building and boosting a motor with potential then your better off in the long run and a swap may just be what he needs to have his car for more that a year without blowing it up and still achieving the speed he desires.And another thing a b series swap can easily be had for well under 2000 ((mine was only 1200 plus 400 for the full front and rear brake conversion)which by the way is a lot of money)where as a good turbo system from the prices I've seen is upwards of of 2500 or more then you have to mantain it and depending on how hard you push it rebuilding your dx motor in the end anyway.So my advice is do whatever you want with your car,this is just a place to get opinions.

[FREED0MFiST]

note the 'j/k' below me telling him to throw his engine away. i was just pretending to be the asshole you guys are for telling him to get a new car/engine. He just asked how to get more power.. he didnt say "how do i make my civic the fastest itll possibly go". jcrx your car is not meant to be a race car either. your b16 engine is not meant to be a race engine, but youve probably managed to make it fast. hondas are eant to be grocery getters, but you make them as quick as you want it to be with enough time/money. Its not a proven fact a swap is quicker either. im thinkin a boosted dx engine will by quicker and more reliable than throwing in a junkyard b-series. oh and the fact that i'm 16 has nothing to do wth it. you think you know it all cause your a bit older? i doubt you did that swap/conversion on your own cause it doesnt sound like you know what your talking about, saying a swap is quicker than FI... and we're not even talkin long run power either, just how to make his car a bit faster...

[jcrx]

if you are 16 then I am twice your age not a "bit" older.Another thing is I did swap my motor by myself and it took four days two to do it and two to trouble shoot everything.As for a f/i dx being faster than a swap- dx stock 108hp ok lets add boost say a nice 50hp safe ok 158hp a few more things here and there you get a generous 170hp not bad for a dx eh-swap=160 or 170 depending...add on the same generous 12 bolted on hp and you get 172 or 182 now save up some more cash a boost or spray that.Cost-dx turbo 1000 to 3500/swap-500 to 4500 depending on where you look who does it.Maintaining boosted motor can get expensive,for a swap same as your stock.Take advice from people who have learned the hard way my friend.

[FREED0MFiST]

for the amount of money total doing a swap you could piece together a turbo and get fuel/ignition.. enough to make 170 wheel horsepower... a swap w/ bolt ons wont make that much power to the wheels. everyone told me to get a swap, then i heard some people usuing fmax and i checked them out. supossedly their kit did this:
http://www.f-max.com/dyno%20d16%2096%20alpha.gif
on a d16y8 with stock internals. would i get this kit and expect to make 230 horses to the wheels? no way, but i would expect to beat a b16 w/ bolt ons ass. even if it only made 170 horses to the wheels, its still more since b167 isnt putting that much power to the ground. surely if that 128 horsepower engine threw out 230 to the ground.. a 108 horse engine should be able to make 170 to the ground, right? I think piecing together your own turbo/fuel/ignition is about the same as doing a good swap. if you want though, go get the $1000 junkyard shit swap and see how reliable that is. besides he asked how to make HIS car go faster, assuming he wants to keep HIS engine. anyways... you said "Swap your motor there really is no other way to squeeze power out of the dx"
so i said you didnt know what youre talking about.. which you dont if you think there really is no other way to sqeeze power out of a dx, because there are PLENTY of ways to sqeeze power out of his engine.

[maxspeedhonda]

I would have to agree with the last post. I ran the d16z in my civic with nitrious for a couple of months before i melted a piston. Then i opted to swap in a gsr motor which suprisingly was quicker alone than the stock motor with juice. The lesson is to start with a badass base motor and then worry about building up from there. I think of all the money i put into that sohc when i should have just saved it and swapped in the motor anyhow. You should still do the catback though because you will be able to use it with whatever else you decide to do with your engine setup.

[civickiller]

instead of arguing with each other why not just ask the original guy how fast he wants to run. that will better see whats the best option for him

orignial poster guy, how fast do you wanna run ? do you want a drag car ?

[FREED0MFiST]

good idea, but it doesnt change the fact that jcrx saying he cant sqeeze anything out of that engine isnt a totally ignorant comment. i agree, if you want to make your car the fastest it can possibly be, get a swap... but not everyone wants that

[jcrx]

My piont wasn't that you can't squeeze some power out of a dx it's just that it is a waste of time in the end.And where do you get this term junkyard shit swap,that is stupid,do you think that the only motors out there are shit because they came from a junkyard your a fool,some,yes but that is why you look call and communicate.F/I is forced induction as you stated fuel/ignition is not something you need,it is something every car comes with.I have nothing against F/I as a matter of fact I like it,but you have to have a strong motor for it or in a few months you start wondering why it's running hot,oh no is that oil in your radiator time to cry now cuz you got a blown head gasket and your waterpumps failing but your not really paying attention so there goes one of your boosted rods flyin threw yer block.And by the way a b16 isn't the best motor to bost anyway a b18 would serve boost better.If it is true about 170hp from a b16(siRII) is base and not wheel than the same goes for the dx so lets drop the 108 to say about 80whp and the b is still 62hp on ya.

[jcrx]

To the original guy if you want get a I/H/E a 35-55hp shootajuice up your ignition and fuel system and you will be happy.That stuff will only run you around 900-1800 depending on wither or not you you are smart about it.Happy driving!!!

[FREED0MFiST]

you wont find a good engine for $500 like you said, unless like i said, its a junker. and i meant he could upgrade fuel/ignition to run higher boost, not that he had to get them. yeah drop it to 80 wheel horsepower... my car makes about 90 whorsepower and i gave you a link to a dyno showing 13 psi w/ stock internals making 225 wheel horsepower on pump gas... 90 whp to 225... he should easily be able to make 80-200.. or even 80 to 170 whp which would still smoke b16 swap. and yes i/h/e is a good idea jcrx, but if you actually read the thread you would know he already has cai/h... and only needs an exaust, which is what has already been mentioned. and i bet your current fuel system flows enough for a 35-55 shot, and like jcrx said get ignition, but i wouldnt bother with more than wires and colder plugs for a small shot.

[Frostbyte]

ok Listen to someone that owns a civic and modifies the stock 1.6L ok you have a DX that is great because it means that you have a lighter model. Insted of getting a Cat-Back keep your eye out for a EX 1.6L SOHC VTEC motor this will help a lot. If you swap the SOHC VTEC motor into your DX with the EX ECU then you will be beating the EX's because of a weight factor. You can bolt the EX motor up to your Tranny for now and then later swap out the EX Tranny. Now the EX motors are a little bit diffrent they have High End and no low end which is what you want in a Honda. That is why we take them because we got the high end. Let them take you on the launch it is who makes it to the finish line first is what matters. Now after swapping out the EX motor then at a later time if you want to slap a Turbo on then you will be smashing hardcore. My fastest time before I got the header and the high flow cat was a 15.79 I will clock my car again next spring because they are going to be closing the track soon. It is nice that you want to try modding your DX motor but it may not be worth it. If you want some decent power then get a SOHC VTEC.

[Frostbyte]

Originally posted by FREED0MFiST
fact: jcrx doesnt know what he's talking about

it might be in this thread, it might be in anotherdamn, it might not even be on this board but i was just reading a post about an n/a dx running 10's... any car can be fast with enough money, and besides hes notr asking how to make his car the fastest it could possibly go, just more speed. hed be stupid to spend 3k doin a swap when he could go FI and make more power.

I really would like to see that post. Because at JDMhondaparts.com they have a CRX with 25 PSI and it is a SOHC VTEC and it is running 10's Infact the fastest Honda N/A ran a 10.59 and it was a Fully built GSR Block with a B16 head. Please show the proof for I do not believe you.

[FREED0MFiST]

i never said it was true, just someone else said it. i think it could have been at the d-series board. i dont care enough to try hard to look, but if i come across it ill post it and you can flame the guy who said it cause you guys are cool like that. IMO if your going to swap you might as well go b series unless you can find a d sohc vtec reeeaaly cheap, which is entirely possible.

[Frostbyte]

ok if you find it I would love to flame that gay wad. I hate Message Board Myths. You can go with a B series motor which will have more pontenal for more horse power but mods will cost more. Or you can get a D series motor (Underdog) and put money into it and make it fast but I recommend you do F/I with the D series motor unless you own a gutted hatch then you could do a N/A D series motor No Problem.

[FREED0MFiST]

i want to swap engines with my civics and put the d16 into my 92 and go turbo... but i gotta sell my 98 civic and i dount anyone will buy it with a d15 lol