The World is one Big Dream...

[texan]

if Quantum Physics doesn't work, why does the transistor, the basis for all modern computers, work (keep in mind you are using one to post here)? I currently have a friend working on the Unification Theory (the theory to finally unite Relativity and Qauntum theories), just don't forget you first heard the name Chris Martin here. He will be in many textbooks in 20 years, mark my words.

I don't argue the premise that we may be living in a dream state because it undermines the very principles by which nearly all of us live. Our will is our own, our life is what we make of it. These are the terms by which we live, and saying otherwise not only negates countless years of intelligent thought, but should require more proof than a simple statement. The idea that there is a larger world than our own mind can create, that all of us exist in this world, should not be questioned. It's laws, it's nature, even it's origins can be questioned, but not it's existence. And this is entirely self evident unless one passes on the ideas that have formed cultures for thousands of years.

Not to sound bitter, but does anyone really think their existence is merely a dream, a simulation, or any act of creation other than whatever originated us as a species? I for one do not, I believe that my existence is very real and very objectively true. "I think, therefore I am". Archimedes point.

[JD@af]

You make some very good points in retalliation to the arguments pertaining to ths notion of existence being a perpetual dream state. Even if the existence of matter and all its accompanying principles can not be proven to be true, the sheer illogical nature of this theorem makes it difficult to swallow because of all that we do "know" (although some of these things we actually take for granted - for example, flimsy an example as this might be, we can not prove that the sun will rise tomorrow. It is highly likely, and there is next to nothing to suggest that it will not, but we actually take it for granted that it will in fact rise tomorrow).

The teachings of Socrates seem to ring ever true here (who said you can't learn anything from watching movies like Bill and Ted eighteen times? ): The only true knowledge lies in knowing that you know nothing. Indeed, even thousands of years after his death, with all the scientific research that has been performed on every aspect of life, matter, evolution, etc., there is so little we actually know. And in turn, everything we learn seems to open more doors to other unexplored, as of yet unknown dimensions. Often it seems so ludicrous that there is any sense to be made of this important statement, but here it seems to be of unwavering accuracy.

[Bean Bandit]

Try to imagine that. If an additonal dimension would exist we would miss pretty much things... :bandit:

[verboom]

The whole what if life was a dream thing is so Descartes. That's what the Meditations are pretty much all about.

[vettemaan]

if this is the matrix then damn think about it... wait why am i saying this no one is reading this everyone is just in my head! god ive gone cross eyed!

[Moppie]

Unforunatly Texan Logic such a wonderful thing that you can use it to disprove it. Kant found a way of using his own Logic to disprove the existance of time out side of the human mind, but then along came Shopenhour who showed that it did exist out side the human mind useing a diffrent Logic. (dont ask how they each did please, I dont have the time to reread it all, )

I think you (like you noted) simply have to accept that we exist in some kind of a reality, we may not be able to percive all of it (e.g. we cant see in the UV spectrum) but we can know all of it, we just have to find away. If you dont, well then you have no foundation for any claim that you may make, and simple participating in life become pointless.