I gots me a car.... :D

[k3smostwanted]

the EVO and WRX is also in the same class. come on man...sporty economical car. that is exactly what EVO and WRX have written all over it. yes they contend at different forms of racing, but there intended street use is sporty, economical, fun, cars. the supra and mr2 was Toyota's flagship sport cars. the VR4 was mitsubishi's and the SVX was supposed to be Subaru's. come on...

[DeleriousZ]

so the sti is a sporty, economical car then? so you're saying having awd and 300hp Stock is economical? that's the same thing the z32 came with.. incase you've forgotten.

and i wouldn't say subaru so much as contends as dominates...

[Yaggus]

Dont know what your on about crazy man... :P

And its Silvia... tool

[Yaggus]

Originally Posted by DeleriousZ

so the sti is a sporty, economical car then? so you're saying having awd and 300hp Stock is economical? that's the same thing the z32 came with.. incase you've forgotten.

and i wouldn't say subaru so much as contends as dominates...

Subaru dont dominate... Citroen and Peugot are at the top of the game atm. Ford is doing really well too. Their new focus is quite tasty.

And K3, just because something has 4 doors doesnt mean its only sporty and ecocomical. The MR2 has the same engine as the GT4 and I dont see you calling that economical. What about the GTiR? the 200sx? what are they??

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by DeleriousZ

so the sti is a sporty, economical car then? so you're saying having awd and 300hp Stock is economical? that's the same thing the z32 came with.. incase you've forgotten.

Very few WRXs are STis and very few Lancers are EVOs. Both are the top shelf model and each can move with quite a bit of authority. However the cars that both of those factory tuner jobs are based on fall decidely into the "sporty but not a sports car" category. Drive an Oz Rally Lancer or RS model WRX if you don't believe me.

And the 200SX was the older FWD chassis if I remember correctly. I do know that the SR20 powered JDM market S13 (240SX) was called the 180SX, as the base models were powered by the CA18.

[Yaggus]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

Very few WRXs are STis and very few Lancers are EVOs. Both are the top shelf model and each can move with quite a bit of authority. However the cars that both of those factory tuner jobs are based on fall decidely into the "sporty but not a sports car" category. Drive an Oz Rally Lancer or RS model WRX if you don't believe me.

And the 200SX was the older FWD chassis if I remember correctly. I do know that the SR20 powered JDM market S13 (240SX) was called the 180SX, as the base models were powered by the CA18.

Your memory fails miserably 200sx was when the silvia went to the S14 and chassis. 2L turbo RWD. The 180sx was when they still used the CA18det. When they upgraded to the 2L SR20det they kept the 180sx name for the popup headlight model S13 chassis models and the non-popupo model inherited the 200sx namesake in Australia and the rest of the world apart from Japan where it retained the silvia name.

As you were saying the RX model Imprezzas and the Oz edition Lancers (im assuming we are thinking of the same model but over here its the GLi) are nothing like the EVO or Sti. They share the same shape but thats about where the similarities end. Just like the Celica SX and the GT4.

[Broke_as_****]

Your memory seems shakey as well, there are two Nissan 200SXs. The one that came to my mind was the American market B14 chassis FWD 200SX that was essentially a two door Sentra.

And really I try not to remember either 200SX, any S14 or other such cars that look like torn up nutsacks.

[DeleriousZ]

Originally Posted by Yaggus

As you were saying the RX model Imprezzas and the Oz edition Lancers (im assuming we are thinking of the same model but over here its the GLi) are nothing like the EVO or Sti. They share the same shape but thats about where the similarities end. Just like the Celica SX and the GT4.

that's what i was getting at lol

[Yaggus]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

Your memory seems shakey as well, there are two Nissan 200SXs. The one that came to my mind was the American market B14 chassis FWD 200SX that was essentially a two door Sentra.

Really? I had no idea you guys got your own 200sx... Sucks to be getting the crap version!

The S14 200sx came in 2 revisions. S14 and S14a. The S15 was very bland at the front, almost eclipsish but a FUCKING UGLY ass... Im talking hideous.

The S14a looked MUCH better up the front with much more aggressive styling but unfortunately retained its munted ass.

The S15 looks fucking hot. Period.

All were RWD 2L turbo

[DeleriousZ]

yeah dude we got raped with the 200sx... it suuuuucks

[DeleriousZ]

i love how prettymuch every one of our discussions end up in an argument lol

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by DeleriousZ

so the sti is a sporty, economical car then? so you're saying having awd and 300hp Stock is economical? that's the same thing the z32 came with.. incase you've forgotten.

and i wouldn't say subaru so much as contends as dominates...

yes its sporty and economical. it just so happens that it was built almost 15 years after the Z32. things change. by todays standard the Z32 would have came with 500hp to compete with the vette.

the STI and EVO are cheap economical cars no matter the performance they come with. are you guys blind?

And K3, just because something has 4 doors doesnt mean its only sporty and ecocomical. The MR2 has the same engine as the GT4 and I dont see you calling that economical. What about the GTiR? the 200sx? what are they??

i agree...it has nothing to do with 4 doors. i didnt call the Dodge Charger sporty and economical. its about the design purpose.

a Lancer or Impreza is a economical sedan. you add more performance to the same car, it turns it into sporty and economical. what do you classify the car as? sports car? hardly! does it perform like one? yes! but it doesnt make it one. it about the purpose the car was built for.

the mr2 and the GT4 do share the same engine...the mr2 is still a sports car because of its purpose. that being to compete with the miata. it has mid engine RWD layout. it is a sports car. the GT4 is nothing but a souped up celica. the celica is an economy car, thus making the celica GT4 a sporty economy car. it doesnt fit in any other classification. i dont understand what the argument is about...what do you want it to be? just because i say it is a sporty economy car doesnt mean its bad, it just means its not a sports car. cars are designed for different purposes. A EVO destroys a C5 vette around a track but yet its still not a sports car, it just performs better, it is an economy car because it gets nearly 30mpg out of its 4 cylinder turbo motor, has 4 doors, a trunk, etc. i dont know why you think it is so bad for a car to be a sporty economical car.

i dont know what 200sx you are talking about...but the pulsar Gti-R would be another sporty economy car in the form of a hatchback. the regular pulsar would be the economy and then the Gti-R model would therefore be the sporty model.

bottom line: a EVO could some stock with 1000hp but as long as it still is based off of the economic lancer chassis it will always just be a sporty economy car.

Originally Posted by DeleriousZ

i love how prettymuch every one of our discussions end up in an argument lol

yeah, and i was trying to be nice this time. i actually complemented yag on a decision he make.

[Yaggus]

lol. Im going on a holiday. Argue for me for the next 5 days for me :P

cya in 5 days!!!

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Yaggus

lol. Im going on a holiday. Argue for me for the next 5 days for me :P

cya in 5 days!!!

have a good one man. you know i have a point. there is no street classification called "rally cars".

[Yaggus]

Originally Posted by k3smostwanted

a Lancer or Impreza is a economical sedan. you add more performance to the same car, it turns it into sporty and economical. what do you classify the car as? sports car? hardly! does it perform like one? yes! but it doesnt make it one. it about the purpose the car was built for.

the mr2 and the GT4 do share the same engine...the mr2 is still a sports car because of its purpose. that being to compete with the miata. it has mid engine RWD layout. it is a sports car. the GT4 is nothing but a souped up celica. the celica is an economy car, thus making the celica GT4 a sporty economy car. it doesnt fit in any other classification. i dont understand what the argument is about...what do you want it to be? just because i say it is a sporty economy car doesnt mean its bad, it just means its not a sports car. cars are designed for different purposes. A EVO destroys a C5 vette around a track but yet its still not a sports car, it just performs better, it is an economy car because it gets nearly 30mpg out of its 4 cylinder turbo motor, has 4 doors, a trunk, etc. i dont know why you think it is so bad for a car to be a sporty economical car.

yeah, and i was trying to be nice this time. i actually complemented yag on a decision he make.

Purpose it was built for? In the early 70's the Celica was designed and built as a sports car. It sold well as a sports car. So if you are using the 'what it was originally designed as' argument, then your argument jsut went out the window. Mr2 is a sports car due to its intended purpose? The GT4 was designed to be rallied. Last time I checked rallying is a sport. Hence being a sports car. MR2 is mid engined turbo RWD, yes. GT4s are front engined turbo AWD. Both sports configuration, I would argue. Te GT4 needs AWD to deal with not having traction while rallying. Sports design and purpose. Gt4s dont have 4 doors either. 2 door coupe baby

Q: is a 4 door skyline classed as a sports car? What about a Chaser?

Holiday is fucking awesome except for the fact we almost hit a fucking kangaroo on the way down.... Fucking kangaroos...