Matrix Borrowed Engine from Celica

[F20C]

I am not sure what you car's spec are. For example gearing, tire, hp curve, torque curve, tranny, CD. A lot of stuff will be take in consideration for determine how fast Matrix is. Sounds to me like G20 is not fast if you can run par with Matrix.

[Mrcoilover]

don't be talkin bout my car like dat der. Nah, it is slow, but it has great
handling. Will a little work it can be fast. With a couple bolt on's, it can
run pretty well with. It is just slow off the line. One of the best handling auto's on the road. I need a celica GTS. It's no S200 but I like it.

[RiceRocket]

For performance purposes, 180hp is not enough... heck 250hp is not enough!

But for a ride like this that is targeted towards peeps who loved the PT Cruiser, and aren't really looking for a lot of performance stuff... it'll work. Plus the added value of aftermarket parts being available.

FYI, Pontiac Vibe will be sharing the same platform as the Toyota Matrix... :alien:

[F20C]

Not to put your car down or anything.

But You were making Matrix sound fast by comparing to your car. In reality Matrix will be seen as a underpowered car. Not because it has 180hp rating but where it achieve those rating for this type of car.

[Mrcoilover]

Then again I never said it was fast. But 250 would make it zip down the
road. That would be plenty. If you notice. PT Cruisers aren't that big.
It should at least have about 160-170lbs of trq and somewhere around 220hp.

[F20C]

PT Cruiser does have 162 ft-lbs torque at 4000 rpm.

[Morpheus XIII]

All-wheel drive will not necessarily make a car faster, especially not in a straight line. In most instances it will actually consume power, and the lessening of the percentage of horsepower lost while transferred from the flywheel to the ground through AWD is fairly negligible at only 180 hp. The 2ZZ-GE is fairly skimpy on torque as well, also proving to be a poor match-up for the Matrix.

For further information about the Vibe/Matrix twins (as well as the concept R.E.V./RSC Pon-toya sisters) check this thread.

[F20C]

AWD is easier to launch however. The stats achieve will be more consistent.

[Morpheus XIII]

All-wheel-drive also has MANY more parts to break with repeated launches. Folks should use them for what they were intended--road holding prowess and neutral steering, rather than drag racing.

[phaqgm]

I just want to let you guys know that the 2ZZ-GE Matrix will not be AWD. The less powerful model is the Matrix that will have AWD. The 2ZZ-GE will have 17" wheels, a 6speed, FWD, and will weigh about 2800lbs not 3000. Which makes it about 300lbs heaver than the GT-S. As a simple rule of thumb every 100lbs is worth about .1 second at the dragstrip.

So, with those specs I am willing to bet that the Matrix will be able to pull high 15's right out of the box, or maybe even mid to low 15's with intake and exhaust. Trust me on this guys, people thought that the Celica would be slow due to it's lack of torque. Well, I have changed a lot of people's opions on that one at the track. I can run consistant 14.6's and 14.7's with my car (on a slipping clutch) with just a Cold air intake, exhaust, and full interior.

[Morpheus XIII]

So if the front-wheel-drive model is powered by a 2ZZ, then what will the all-wheel version be milled by? Why would Toyota want to spend extra time and funding to run the Matrix by two different engines when its cheaper to create a new transmission? Interesting, every rag I've read stated that it will 1) have the 2ZZ-GE (no mention of other engines) and 2) be available in both front- and all-wheel-drive.

[Mrcoilover]

I looked the toyota site up and found out that the celica GT's is only like 2580 with a 6spd.

[F20C]

The every 100 lbs = .1 second rule does not work all the time. Try the 2800lbs matrix and I bet you it will not be .3 seconds off Celica GT-S.

[F20C]

I have read nothing but Celica GT-S engine on the Matrix. Where can I find information about this lesser power engine that will powered the AWD Matrix?

[F20C]

Don't tell me they are going to use the non VVTL-i version of the engine. That engine is powerless only 140hp and no torque.