Looks Like Kramer's In A Little Hot Water

['97ventureowner]

here's a link to a video of his appearance on Letterman for those who want to see it:http://us.video.aol.com/video.index....mmsid=1773282#. Although I did not personally see it last night, I understand some in the audience were laughing while he was being interviewed.

[00accord44]

That TMZ clip is only a small portion. Here's the whole clip

YouTube > TMZ

[VR43000GT]

^^ Vid has been removed.

[00accord44]

Ah so. That damn copyright infringement. Funny how I can still pull up clips of other recent guests, but this one has been removed....

[erb]

My hero!

[Damien]

freakin' hilarious. my girl told me about last night. i didnt even hear...working too much i guess.

still, i dont care what he said. im not big on te whole "word" thing. people need to learn to get over themselves. if you dont wanna be called something, then stop calling each other and yourself that, whether it ends with a "a" or "er"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...richards&hl=en

Google > all

['97ventureowner]

I was toying with the thought that we could add a new term to our vocabulary. That word could either be " Gibson" or "Kramer". So whenever a celebrity uses a racial slur in public we could refer to the situation as "Oh, he/she pulled a "Gibson" or "Oh he/she pulled a "Kramer"."
Definition of the term Gibson/Kramer: The act of using a racial slur by a celebrity in public, thus destroying their career.

['97ventureowner]

Originally Posted by 00accord44

I'll definitely be watching.

EDIT- Only Jesse Jackson can clear his name now.

Looks like that's the route he's going:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/...chael_richards

[VR43000GT]

That is messed up what he has to go through to be accepted by the general public. Do you know how many times I have heard white people call black people n****** and black people call white people stupid a** cracker mother f******. It is not like it happens now and then. I do not think it should happen but when it does it shouldn't be made into such a big deal it ruins a person's life completely. (especially if they are not notorious for saying these things). And is he going to get an apology from those two tards in the audience that heckled him and then called him a stupid a** cracker mother f******? No because that is too often the way it is. Because he is famous everyone shits their pants about it. And as I have heards said before I rarely here other races get called out on being racist to white people. In example.......Kanye West. Everyone just expects him to say stupid shit blaming white people for the many problems being suffered in the black community. But do freak out when he says it? Not really, people say, "he always says this outrageous stuff just let him be".

[03cavPA]

Two of the patrons involved in the incident hired a lawyer. Although it is admitted that Richards committed no crime, attorney Gloria Allred is saying they want Richards to contact her and they'll go before a "retired judge" and let him decide what restitution is due her clients, if any.

They say he placed them in a position of fear and humiliation.

I can't find any links to any stories, but the video interview is on Foxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/

Right hand column, "Fox News Video" Titled "Richards' Rant!"

[00accord44]

There's no need for anybody to get sued over anything that happened. But unfortunately, swift legal action has become the american way. I'm sure I've been called a ni*** more times than I realize by white people and I haven't got a dime, nor do I deserve one.

How did Kanye make his way into this discussion? I thought we already had this discussion in the other thread. But you can't seriously say that if you had to label either Kanye or Kramer as a racist based on their public actions you would pick Kanye... lets be serious. I wouldn't place that label on either one of them.

I heard today that the heckler was interviewed and he claims that before the bulk of the incident happened Kramer flipped him the bird and said "Shut up you stupid ni***". I think he's just tryin to blow the story up more so he can get some of that Seinfeld money. Again... thats the american way

[VR43000GT]

Kanye made his way into this thread as an example. Whether you would label him a racist or not is your choice. I do because he blames most every problem in the black community on white people. That is my opinion and you do not have to agree with me nor is this what the thread is about. But you asked so I answered.





Back on topic....

[BP2K2Max]

i can't condone what he did but in his defense he didn't say "every black person in the crowd is a nigger" he said "that guy there, (the one who is interrupting the show) is a nigger". look up the definition of the word nigger and then tell me that a person interrupting a live show by talking and heckling the comedian, which everyone else paid to see doesn't match that definition. it's just like going to the movies on a friday night. i've wanted to flip out start doing the same shit. don't act like one if you don't wanna be called one.

and i agree with yogs, i don't think it was a racially driven outburst, i think he could have just as easily called a group of women cunts, white people; white trash etc. i think he was just pissed at the situation and lost his cool and said the most hurtful thing he could say to the person

[03cavPA]

You know, somebody on another forum mentioned the movie theater thing. What's up with that?

[00accord44]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

I do because he blames most every problem in the black community on white people.

How many times do I have to explain that you've drawn that conclusion from your own misinterpretation and a small percentage of his lyrics are even suggestive of that. But whatever, Kanyes a clear cut racist and Kramer is so obviously not. Believe whatever you want to

Originally Posted by BP2K2Max

...look up the definition of the word nigger and then tell me that a person interrupting a live show by talking and heckling the comedian, which everyone else paid to see doesn't match that definition...

What the hell are you talking about?

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Originally Posted by Merriam Webster Dictionary

nigger
One entry found for nigger.


Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers...all the people who feel left out of the political process -- Ron Dellums>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.

Nowhere in there does it say "a person who is generally disruptive in public". So would an annoying white heckler fit the same bill? Or should I refer to them as a "cracker"? Do you even know where the term cracker comes from since you're so clearly confused as to the origins of the word nigger? A "cracker" is a term derived from the words whip-cracker as in a slave master cracking the whip on his slaves (usually referred to as niggers if you didn't know). But by your logic I guess any white person that gets on my nerves should be immediately called a cracker.

What happened to people just being morons, jackasses, assholes, etc? If you're mad enough to call a black person a nigger or a white person a cracker, then why not just walk up and punch em in the face. Cause thats clearly what you would like to do. Skip the formalities and racial slurs, if you're that heated let it out on their face or stfu. Using racial slurs turns 1-on-1 altrications into 1-on-race or race-on-race incidents.

So like I said before, if he was gonna say it, he should've diffused it with a good dose of humor. I think he thought he was doing that but he failed miserably. According to interviews with the heckler other things were said that would indicate he definitely had no intentions of being funny, but until they're somehow confirmed I'd rather believe they're untrue.