2002 Maxima 6-speed VS 2006 V6 Mustang

[2000LS1Z28]

Originally Posted by GForce957

Thats a factor of the weight discrepancy between them

The GT500 has a better power to weight ratio then the C6 vette. Sure it outweighs the vette by 600lbs., but it also has 100 more horsepower, not to mention torque. Car & Driver cited this power deficit in several issues (With both the convertible and the coupe). In fact, the GT500 didn't post up numbers that were that far ahead of the 390hp 03/04 Cobra, despite have 110hp more.

I can't say that many good things about Ford's modular motor, after taking an engine out of a Saleen. The block is abnormally large (Much larger then an LS1). The shop I had my car tuned at said the 5.0 blocks were alot better to produce power from. Dunno though, as I do see alot of 03/04 Cobras pumping out pretty good power.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

The GT500 has a better power to weight ratio then the C6 vette. Sure it outweighs the vette by 600lbs., but it also has 100 more horsepower, not to mention torque. Car & Driver cited this power deficit in several issues (With both the convertible and the coupe). In fact, the GT500 didn't post up numbers that were that far ahead of the 390hp 03/04 Cobra, despite have 110hp more.

I can't say that many good things about Ford's modular motor, after taking an engine out of a Saleen. The block is abnormally large (Much larger then an LS1). The shop I had my car tuned at said the 5.0 blocks were alot better to produce power from. Dunno though, as I do see alot of 03/04 Cobras pumping out pretty good power.

they are big and heavy, and in N/A form the 5.0 was easier to get gains from, mostly because it came rated so low stock. the 03/04 cobra was underrated and the new one probably isnt. but the mod motors are very tough and they can be good engines, depends on which one you have. the 3v and 4v versions are more efficient than the 5.0 in general. the 2v version is kinda pointless though. the 4v supercharged versions are awesome and its incredibly easy to make power with those though. 03/04 cobras can make 450whp so easy its retarded. i would like to see a new v8 come from ford that is easier to make power from and a little more efficient, while being smaller and more compact at the same time. but its a matter of money really. the 4.6l 3v will be making 350hp stock in '09. thats not so bad. on advantage it has over the 5.0 block is that it can take more power. if you push a stock 302 around 500hp your really pushing your luck. the mod motor will handle it just fine.

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

the 4.6l 3v will be making 350hp stock in '09. thats not so bad. on advantage it has over the 5.0 block is that it can take more power. if you push a stock 302 around 500hp your really pushing your luck. the mod motor will handle it just fine.

And in 2012 when they re-design it again the V6 3.5 will have about 350 horses I think it's called a cyclone engine or something like that.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by Gotian

And in 2012 when they re-design it again the V6 3.5 will have about 350 horses I think it's called a cyclone engine or something like that.

i believe that is what its called. i think that engine will replace the 4.0 in the next year or two, its already in some vehicles. a rumor i heard that sounds pretty awesome is that supposedly they are going to bring back the boss mustang (soon) with a 5.0l mod motor with about 390hp and the same weight as a mustang gt. that would be badass. as far as what happens in '09 and '12 i wouldnt be surprised to see the hp numbers change depending on what the competition does.

[Mad_Maxima]

I think yall are thinking of the Hurricane engines, but apparently they changed the project name recently

Originally Posted by Wiki

The Boss is a forthcoming large-displacement V8 engine project at Ford Motor Company. The engine project was reportedly cancelled in 2005 as the company focused on its existing Triton V8 and V10, but was reportedly revived in early 2006 by Mark Fields. The large engine will compete with DaimlerChrysler's new Hemi and General Motors' large Vortec engines. Ford is currently unable to compete with these large V8 engines in the pickup truck, SUV, and luxury car markets with its 5.4 L Modular V8.

The Boss engine will reportedly displace 6.2 L, with the ability to exceed 7.0 L in future applications, and produce more than 425 hp (317 kW) and 425 ft·lbf (576 N·m). It will be built at Cleveland Engine in Cleveland, Ohio. The first application will be Ford's F-Series pickup trucks produced at Dearborn Truck. It has been rumored that the Hurricane will retain many of the Modular V8 design cues such as a deep skirt block with cross bolted main caps, oiling system design, and multivalve overhead camshaft valve train arrangement but it will have much wider bore spacing and bearing surfaces.

The engine was initially called the "Hurricane", but this was changed in mid 2006 to the storied Boss name in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Boss_engine

[TheStang00]

no the cyclone engine is the new v6.

[GForce957]

I think its kind of odd that out of the blue a V6 stang will get that many ponies (no pun intended). I wonder how much the V8 will have to keep up the distinction between the 2

[Mad_Maxima]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

no the cyclone engine is the new v6.

thats right, we were talking about the V6, I saw Boss mustang and thought of the Hurricane, my bad

[209 SRT]

in 2012 v6s being 350 stock wow.....shit...4 bangers will probably be in the 280 range n/a then......hahaha I kidddd...

[BP2K2Max]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

They are coming out with a new 3.5 liter with 260 or something HP.

wow, and only 6 years behind the Japanese competition and 3-4 years behind Chrysler and GM, way to stay on top of things ford.

Originally Posted by Gotian

And in 2012 when they re-design it again the V6 3.5 will have about 350 horses I think it's called a cyclone engine or something like that.

if ford's 2012 V6's make 350hp they'll still be behind everyone else. the V6's in the G35's, IS350's and other cars of the like are already at ~310 hp stock. if it takes Ford another 5 years to come up with something comparable it just further proves the point that Ford is way behind everyone else

[VR43000GT]

^^ Lol, I agree completely with all that was said above.

[BlackGT2000]

First off, 300 HP from a 3.5 liter N/A is pretty strung out as it is. Who will complain about 300 or 350 horses in a V6 car? Who even needs 300 HP? Cars like that are showcases and not really huge sellers (especially for ford) What do you want for a V6 if 300 and 350 horses isn't enough? 400 500? Lets come back to reality here. If 250 and 300 HP V6's are becoming an industry standard than why trash ford for putting out a motor that performs as well as the industry bench mark in a car that is undoubtedly going to be cheaper than its Asian counterparts?

[BP2K2Max]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

If 250 and 300 HP V6's are becoming an industry standard than why trash ford for putting out a motor that performs as well as the industry bench mark in a car that is undoubtedly going to be cheaper than its Asian counterparts?

dude even hyundai's cranking out V6's with nearly 270 hp nowadays. IMO Ford's stagnating because while other companies are setting the industry standards, Ford's happy just to adhere to them and squeak by. I'm not the least bit surprised to see that ford just reported a $5.9 billion dollar loss for this quarter, the way things are going I'll be surprised if there even is a Ford motor company come 2012.

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

First off, 300 HP from a 3.5 liter N/A is pretty strung out as it is. Who will complain about 300 or 350 horses in a V6 car? Who even needs 300 HP? Cars like that are showcases and not really huge sellers (especially for ford) What do you want for a V6 if 300 and 350 horses isn't enough? 400 500? Lets come back to reality here. If 250 and 300 HP V6's are becoming an industry standard than why trash ford for putting out a motor that performs as well as the industry bench mark in a car that is undoubtedly going to be cheaper than its Asian counterparts?

I'll tell you why, it's actually more than just the power, for example, the new 2009 350z is going to have 350hp, but on top of that it will still be able to handle just as well, maybe even better than the previous model 350, as opposed to ford who comes out with a new mustang with a bit more power than the previous one but at the same time they add about 300-400 pounds on to it so the power makes no difference at all. sure they are cheap, but in my opinion they arent even worth it to me (I mean no offense to you mustang guys cause I have some friends who love mustangs.) So by the time that 2012 mustang comes out as a v6 with 350hp we might have a 400z with 400+ horses that will out run the stang in everyway and still cost a base price of less than 30k. Reason why we trash it is not because they are producing an engine that marks the bench mark, we trash it cause it takes them too long to reach the bench mark and by that time the bench has picked up and left so ford is stuck in the same posistion they were in, which is follow bench tracks.

[2000LS1Z28]

I'll be surprised if either Ford or GM are around in 2012. They have lost some serious dough within the last year or so. That's not to mention the layoffs that both companies had to do.

Crap man, I dunno if I wanna even think about keeping my WS6. Who knows if there will be parts for it in a few years.