P10 parts in New Zealand

[T4 Primera]

Geo,
Don't know if you have the same paint on your G20s as we get on the Primeras but I guess we'll find out. Might be able to borrow a digicam from work so you can see before you buy.

I'll get the window motor from Grunter via PM, thanks for the offer though. Hey, if your still in contact with the guy in Japan with the T4, any chance of finding out the factory lub specs for the T4 4WD system?? I can't find that info anywhere!

I guess we are lucky having no import tarriffs on JDM cars here which means that there are heaps of JDM parts importers to support them. By the way, the Primera is the most popular Japanese used import in NZ.

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
Geo,
Don't know if you have the same paint on your G20s as we get on the Primeras but I guess we'll find out. Might be able to borrow a digicam from work so you can see before you buy.

I'll look up the paint code today. That's the determining factor anyway.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
I'll get the window motor from Grunter via PM, thanks for the offer though. Hey, if your still in contact with the guy in Japan with the T4, any chance of finding out the factory lub specs for the T4 4WD system?? I can't find that info anywhere!

I'll ask him. If he doesn't have it anymore (he no longer has the car), I'm sure he can get it and translate it. He's a Canadian who is living in Japan. Super nice bloke.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
I guess we are lucky having no import tarriffs on JDM cars here which means that there are heaps of JDM parts importers to support them. By the way, the Primera is the most popular Japanese used import in NZ.

Cool. I was shocked to find out that the Primera was never imported to OZ. I knew there were a bunch in NZ and just figured there would be in OZ as well. <shrug>

[T4 Primera]

I was shocked to find out that the Primera was never imported to OZ

Yeah, th ozzies have import tarriffs. They manufacture some kickass cars there and have to protect their industry. I guess it must be the same over there.

[T4 Primera]

I'd love to compare some part numbers of the metal portion of the bumper and the styrofoam.

Geo,

I have this same Te bumper cover on my T4 since they come with the same bodykit. The part number on the metal bumper itself is 62032 50J00.

Can't see the number directly with the cover on, but the stamped relief of it (albeit backwards) shows through the metal onto the radiator side of the bumper below the grille. Had to remove the grille and sort of poke my head in a bit between bumper and radiator so I could see it. Watch out for the hood latch....ouch:o

Couldn't find the part number of the bumper cover yet with it installed and all, but I can get that from the used parts importers and post it tomorrow.

Styrofoam is something styrofoam on this setup??

How do you get that "Originally posted by...." piece to appear on the quotes in your posts?

[primera man]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
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How do you get that "Originally posted by...." piece to appear on the quotes in your posts? [/b]

You hit the "quote with reply" button at the bottom of the post.

When the message comes up you dont delete any of the boxes and brackets at the start of the message or the brackets etc at the end.

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by primera man


You hit the "quote with reply" button at the bottom of the post.

When the message comes up you dont delete any of the boxes and brackets at the start of the message or the brackets etc at the end.

Cool, thanx Primera Man

[Blue94G20T]

Originally posted by P10DET


Wow! I have contacts in both places. The bumper cover is only about 5 lbs or so, plus whatever for packaging.

I'm looking for red. I can get the exact Nissan code in the morning (well, morning for me).

I am most grateful!

Geo,
Let us know what you find out. I would also be interested in the front bumper cover.

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
I have this same Te bumper cover on my T4 since they come with the same bodykit. The part number on the metal bumper itself is 62032 50J00.

OK, there is certainly a difference here. I just checked the fiche and the USDM bumper is 62030-62J30. What is interesting is that the first 5 numbers are different. They are usually the same across markets.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
Couldn't find the part number of the bumper cover yet with it installed and all, but I can get that from the used parts importers and post it tomorrow.

OK, cool. I won't be able to reference it (yet). But having the number is a good thing. I'll keep it in my notes.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
Styrofoam is something styrofoam on this setup??

Well, the USDM bumper has the bumper cover with a piece of styrofoam ("energy absorber") attached to the inside. This foam takes up space between the inside of the bumper cover and the metal bumper itself. I'm not sure if the JDM assembly has this.

I was thinking that the only difference between the two might be the foam. That may not be correct.

[P10DET]

OK, big favour #1:

Could someone possibly sweet talk their dealer into printing out section 620 "Front Bumper" and section 750 "Member" sections of the parts listing, scan them, and e-mail them to me? Then I can compare them with the USDM parts listing and get an even better idea what I'm up against. At least I will have some idea if there is even a hope in hell of this working, and just how much parts I might need.

Big favour #2:

Does anyone have a dealer with an extra parts fiche to the European market or JDM market Primera that they might be willing to sell to me?

I have a fiche reader and the complete fiche for the USDM B13 and USDM P10. With the JDM fiche, I could figure out what exactly would be needed to convert to JDM bumper covers as well as possibly other things. It could be quite interesting indeed.

If this is not possible or asking too much, I quite understand. I know I'm asking a lot.

OTOH, if I can figure this (and some other things) out, it might be a source of additional sales for the dealers.

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by P10DET

OK, there is certainly a difference here. I just checked the fiche and the USDM bumper is 62030-62J30. What is interesting is that the first 5 numbers are different. They are usually the same across markets.

Talked to another parts importer today, he says US safety requirements for bumpers are much stricter than in Japan (the US bumpers need to withstand higher impact speeds) so that may explain the difference in part numbers. That's not to say the cover won't fit on a US bumper, hopefully the shape will be close and it's only the brackets/bumper metal thickness that's different. I think if you used the JDM bumper with the cover it may become a compliance issue.

I'm off on a fact finding mission now so I'll post what I find out in 5-6 hours time.
Later
Sandy

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera


Talked to another parts importer today, he says US safety requirements for bumpers are much stricter than in Japan (the US bumpers need to withstand higher impact speeds) so that may explain the difference in part numbers. That's not to say the cover won't fit on a US bumper, hopefully the shape will be close and it's only the brackets/bumper metal thickness that's different. I think if you used the JDM bumper with the cover it may become a compliance issue.

I'm off on a fact finding mission now so I'll post what I find out in 5-6 hours time.
Later
Sandy

Whoa! Way cool. Yes, I'm aware of the differences in Japanese and US impact standards. I'm not too concerned about that at this point. My best guess right now is that I will likely need to replace the bumper and the bumper cover.

I was hoping the only difference between USM and JDM was the styrofoam "energy absorbing" material. Doesn't look that way. So, with a printout from the parts list (fiche) I can probably figure out what I would need. I still want to make it work.

[T4 Primera]

George,

I have edited this post a number of times so it may pay to check it again in case you read it before I finish playing with it.

Just got back from NissinKing so I can confirm these part numbers. They were great and pulled out the cover and bumper for me to take pictures of. Only had a normal camera so give me a couple of days to get the pics developed and scan them.

Steel bumper - 62032 50J00
These are the same for the normal P10 and the Te version.

Te Bumper cover - 62022 59J00
The lip is actually one peice with the bumper but has a seam moulded into it to look like it is a separate piece.

There is NO foam packing between the bumper and cover. The foam appears to be a USDM thing to do with crash regulations. The Te cover extends approximately 65 mm out from the metal strip at the base of headlight and from the grille. If this measurement is similar on the G20, then perhaps USDM cars have had a bumper installed with enough setback to allow for foam packing. If this is the case, and the shapes are similar where foam meets cover, then it might be possible to install the Te cover onto the foam on a G20. (if the foam can be separated from a G20 cover) What do you think? If you're not concerned about the crash regs then I guess you'd be able to use the JDM bumper.

The Nissan dealership were not much help at all. The say they're not allowed to sell the fiche. Maybe if you could be more specific what you need to know I might be able to get part numbers etc. from them.

As for the colour, these used parts importers put their orders in, in Japan, and wait for the right cars to be crashed then when there's a container load they ship it over. THis means it may be quite a wait to get one the right colour. Would you like me to get prices on new covers or on new/used bumpers (steel)?

Redvalkrie posted in this post http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t6663.html that a company called motorex specialises in bringing imported cars in US up to crash standard so they may be another source of info for the bumper question.

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
George,

Just got back from NissinKing so I can confirm these part numbers. They were great and pulled out the cover and bumper for me to take pictures of. Only had a normal camera so give me a couple of days to get the pics developed and scan them.

Wow! You're my hero! I think we might be able to figure this thing out.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
There is NO foam packing between the bumper and cover. The foam appears to be a USDM thing to do with crash regulations. The Te cover extends approximately 65 mm out from the metal strip at the base of headlight and from the grille. If this measurement is similar on the G20, then perhaps USDM cars have had a bumper installed with enough setback to allow for foam packing. If this is the case, and the shapes are similar where foam meets cover, then it might be possible to install the Te cover onto the foam on a G20. (if the foam can be separated from a G20 cover) What do you think?

Fantastic information. I'll have to wait a bit to pull the bumper, but I have to do it sometime in the next month anyhow to make the IC piping for Hotshot. I'll measure then.

I suspect that the JDM bumper cover will attach OK without the foam. The photos will help. The measurements will certainly help. I really think we can get this figured out.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
If you're not concerned about the crash regs then I guess you'd be able to use the JDM bumper.

Yeah, I don't think either the insurance company nor the inspection folks will know the difference. Hell, I'm sure the inspection folks won't even care.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
The Nissan dealership were not much help at all. The say they're not allowed to sell the fiche.

I'm not surprised. I might be able to source one through a dealer near me who has international connections.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
Maybe if you could be more specific what you need to know I might be able to get part numbers etc. from them.

If they can print out the fiche or the computerized parts diagram and list, the sections I listed should give me the information I need. If not, then I will have to look a couple of things up and have you compare them. One concern may be whether a JDM bumper can be installed on a USM car if necessary. I'll find the number tomorrow for the frame member it attaches to.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
As for the colour, these used parts importers put their orders in, in Japan, and wait for the right cars to be crashed then when there's a container load they ship it over.

Wow. Cool. I'm not in a rush (especially if we can get this worked out) so that works fine for me.

Thanks again for your help. If we can figure this out, I may want a rear bumper cover as well.

[T4 Primera]

The Te cover extends approximately 65 mm out from the metal strip at the base of headlight and from the grille.

This is what I meant. It's measured on the assembled vehicle (my T4).

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
This is what I meant. It's measured on the assembled vehicle (my T4).

OK, I see. I'll check that out when my wife gets home tonight.