fwd drifing techniques

[LVApex]

Wow... Talk about alot of Elitest.... Couple of ways to get a FWD car to slide the rear end in a turn that dont require the e-brake. 1. Throttle lift 2. Trail Brake Catch is, most FWD cars are Grossly miss tuned and poorly driven. People keep stiffining up the suspensions, when in reality they need to stiffen the rear and soften the nose. One of the best things you can do is straigth out Remove the front anti-roll bar. Seriously, try it... then lift off the throttle or trail brake a little... just be ready to apply the gas once the rear end starts to come around. as far as maintianing a "drift" durring a turn.... well, the only time a FWD car is going to naturally initiate a "drift" is while under decelleration, once power is applied back to the front wheels, the rear end is going to want to settle down. So, in order to maintain that "drift" created by you Trail brakeing or lifting, you now are going to have to artificially reduce the amount of tracktion at the rear end. AKA e-brake.

[doberman_52]

Originally Posted by LVApex

Wow... Talk about alot of Elitest.... Couple of ways to get a FWD car to slide the rear end in a turn that dont require the e-brake. 1. Throttle lift 2. Trail Brake Catch is, most FWD cars are Grossly miss tuned and poorly driven. People keep stiffining up the suspensions, when in reality they need to stiffen the rear and soften the nose. One of the best things you can do is straigth out Remove the front anti-roll bar. Seriously, try it... then lift off the throttle or trail brake a little... just be ready to apply the gas once the rear end starts to come around. as far as maintianing a "drift" durring a turn.... well, the only time a FWD car is going to naturally initiate a "drift" is while under decelleration, once power is applied back to the front wheels, the rear end is going to want to settle down. So, in order to maintain that "drift" created by you Trail brakeing or lifting, you now are going to have to artificially reduce the amount of tracktion at the rear end. AKA e-brake.

Ok, how do u do the throttle lift and trail brake? Throtle lift do u let off just before the turn? I have about as soft of suspension as i want to go, but i may have bent or broke something in the front end yesterday when i was screwing around, when i turn, i get a wierd clunking/taping noise, I think that it might be the springs, tie rod or maybe a control arm but am not sure. i was just doing 15 - 25 and pulld the ebrake to do a 180, the ground was a little uneven.

[LVApex]

Trail brakeing = you feathering off the brakes as you start to turn in. The idea is for you to shift as much weight to the nose as possible giving the front as much grip as possible while reducing the grip at the rear end = oversteer. Throttle Lift = your in a given turn such as a sweeper and you simply come off the throttle = you start to "engine brake" the nose, which shifts weight to the front and off the rear = More grip up front, less grip out back = oversteer. Note that both of these "techniques" require you to be driving the car At or near its limits, so have Very limited use on the street. Also, its best to have the car setup right too. So, Soften the front dampers and stiffen the rear dampers. Reduce the effectiveness of your front anti-roll bar and/or increase the effectiveness of your rear bar. you also may need to tweak your spring rates.

[doberman_52]

Well my shocks and struts are almost shot so they are eally sot, and i have no roll bars or anything. Throttle lift, your bassicly at high rpms, sliding your tail end around the corner, ok

[LVApex]

Originally Posted by doberman_52

Well my shocks and struts are almost shot so they are eally sot, and i have no roll bars or anything. Throttle lift, your bassicly at high rpms, sliding your tail end around the corner, ok

Get new Adjustible dampers!! Dampers are paramount to your cars handling and over all performance.

[S13Driftfiend]

Originally Posted by LVApex

Get new Adjustible dampers!! Dampers are paramount to your cars handling and over all performance.

he has a 1990 buick... why would he get adjustable dampers... if he could even get them for a 1990 buick

[doberman_52]

Whats wrong with a buick? It can beat some cars, my last two were a 79 buick with a 350 and a 91 berreta, i could customize some if I really wanted but really don't, but i have some bad news, i destroyed another fricken cv joint, i have replaced 4 halfshafts in this car in the last 9 months, it sucks, 2 were because of wear though. so my car is sitting a 1/4 a mile from a friends house in a field about 7 miles away from mine, i may be getting a 93 civic this weekend
s13driftfiend did u get my pm a while back?

[doberman_52]

what does Elitest mean?

[LVApex]

Originally Posted by S13Driftfiend

he has a 1990 buick... why would he get adjustable dampers... if he could even get them for a 1990 buick

Adjustible dampers allow you to tweak the cars oversteer/understeer balance... rather then ride quality which is what most people us them for. Not that it matters most cars are grossly mis-tuned when it comes to suspensions. as for where to get them for a buick? Koni, where else? If they dont allready have an application for his car, they can fabricate parts.

Originally Posted by doberman_52

what does Elitest mean?

I spelled it wrong, it should be Elitist.
Elitist -n
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

elitism (what was happening here)
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2. a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

[doberman_52]

thats why it didn't come up on dictionary.com.

[doberman_52]

getting my halfshaft fixxed tomorow but still might look at this 93 honda civic

[LVApex]

Oh, One more thing that can be used to cause a controled loss of traction on the rear end of a FWD car... Left foot brakeing. Theroy goes that you stay on the gas and apply brake. The power from the engine can easliy overpower the front brakes negateing any brakeing up front, but the rear end not having power applied to it is forced to slide (Very simmilar to pulling the Ebrake but much more controled.)


HOWEVER, I would only recomend learing this technique after you've improved your brakes heat capacty... High temp pads + fluid.

[doberman_52]

I ussualy do something simmilar to that, i got my halfshaft fixed, but havent had a chance to do anything with the other tecniques
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[Russ_1990EclipseGS]

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m63FlqNFjDA