H22A Pricing

[wagsaccordsir]

sparq says:

Dude, buying a MOTOR and a COMPLETE SWAP are totally fucking differant. Paying "$500" for an H22 motor and paying $2200 + shipping are two differant ends of the spectrum dude

Ok let me say this again. I know of a person who has two H22 engines complete; "swaps"(as you like to call them) for $500 each, that includes the fricking tranny, ECU, wiring harness, axles, shift linkage, etc. This normally goes for about $2200. Right? Ya exactly! Now a "swap" as you like to say and quite frankly misused, is the actual installation of an engine into a car. A "swap" is usually $500-1500 dollars for the actual installation of the engine. That's in addition to the $2200 engine, tranny, etc.. And partner as for as shipping; thats usually $300 throughout the continental U.S. Think before you reply dude!

[dbiggss]

Ive seen engines out there for real low prices but when you buy off the internet be careful. its a bitch not getting what you paid for and ive heard horror stories about shit like this. do research before you make an investment like buying a used engine.

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[Crackerballer]

FOr real I am trying to find a good H22a block or a B18C to drop in an integra, and there are so amny sights, it is hard to determine which ones are worth a shit. If you guys know any good shops in or around NC or any reputable websites let me know. I contact King Motorsports, they sell Mugen engines,a dn they quoted me 6 grand for anew B18C with all harnesses and everything. Is that good? Thanks

Josh

[sparq]

Actually "swap" means just that... LABOR is LABOR

And your first mention of your $500 "swaps" did not mention anything else...

But I wouldnt bother waisting my time with it - dont matter how good of a condition it is, either its stolen (no offense) or it really isnt in the shape it is said to be in. Even if they got the deal of the century and got a whole parts car for $1000 and stripped them down, they wouldnt just sell the motor/tranny/axles etc. for $500... too iffy

[sparq]

Originally posted by Crackerballer
I contact King Motorsports, they sell Mugen engines,a dn they quoted me 6 grand for anew B18C with all harnesses and everything. Is that good? Thank

Bro, no offense but what the hell are you going to do with a MUGEN motor? Its nothing like a HONDA built motor, its no where as reliable... your Honda can go like 30k miles before a service and like 60-90k or more (depending on how much you rag on it) before its first rebuild, good luck even seeing half those numbers out of a MUGEN built motor. They, along with SPOON are built for one purpose... to race. If you dont have a race car, dont even bother buying one. Sure, if you want to waste $6000 on a damn motor just to have a motor fine do whatever the hell you want... but while your bragging to your friend "Hey I spent $6000 on my motor" and he laughs because he bought an H22 swap, rims a kit and paint for $6000 and whoops you in a race... dont come crying to the rest of us.

Also, an H22 "block" doesnt just bolt upto an integra. You need new mounts and also a new transmission, computer - and a bunch of other things as well. But the B18c will...

Do you have the ability to go pickup a motor (locally...) either like a friend with a truck or renting a UHAUL trailer or something? If so, I can get you some prices on some differant motors - just email me and ill be happy to help you.


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[wagsaccordsir]

Gotta break it down for the old man!!



H22a w/tranny, ecu, wiring harness, axles = $500-$2200

Installaion of that engine; i.e. labor = $500-$1500
(Dependant on motor mounts and other
misc parts needed as many swaps
require serious modification; i.e.
H22 into a CRX

Giving us a grand total of $1000-$3700

Granted trying to find it all on the low side is rare but can be done. Now yes sparq you were right it could be stolen, but that why you have the po-po run the numbers for ya, and second yea the engine may not be all that, but no used engine is. Thats why most engine distributers do compression tests, and give a 30-90 day start-up warranty. Everything there after is on you as the consumer. So quite frankly when you are messing with used engines and doing swaps, then you should know that there always going to be kinks in it. Nothing used is perfect. Hell nothing new is ever perfect either. I just swapped a JDM H22 into my Accord and it had all kinds of problems, but after 3 weeks of troubleshooting and testing and tuning, we have finally gotten all of the kinks out. Now she runs like she did when I rolled her off the showroom floor (well except much faster ofcourse)
Now as far as how they sell them so cheap; well I don't know, maybe they got one hell of a buy-in or buy some serious bulk, and want all the busines coming there way. Who knows, and who cares? If its stolen, you run a number and you will know. If it don't work right, well what can you say? You got a compression test and a start-up warranty (if its a reputable company) So you should know that it could end up costing more in the long run as it is used..

[dbiggss]

Is that your accord at the bottom in blue? you should post some pics of the engine compartment too

[sparq]

Well does your $500 swap come with a warranty?

And trust me I know that swaps arent perfect, I sell them. But if you pay $500 for a scortched motor with nothing good in it etc. etc. and its going to cost you that much to get it running - what was the damn purpose? Sure I can sell you a swap for $100, and then charge you $2300 shipping.. but I can offer a "$100 swap" - all wording. But like I said, not hating on your $500 swap, but the old rule of thumb... IF SOMETHING IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS!

[wagsaccordsir]

Well apparently the swap price is a regional thing, I live in NC and its $500 to a grand just about anywhere you go. Some swaps are not that hard to do. An H22 into a CRX on the other hand will cost alot more because the hollowing out of the firewall. Your right in most cases you do get what you pay for. On the other side of that, if you know the right people you can get taken care of. I paid $3300 for my H22 and $1200 for the swap, and I still got a crappy install, the fuckheads wired it up wrong among other things. Me and my new mechanic went through it with a fine tooth comb, and fixed all the kinks. Which I later realized that I; not being mechanically inclined so to speak, could have done a better install than they did. Now with that said after paying $1200 I would have expected a better install. So it doesnt matter if its $500 or $2000, you can still get a shitty install. So I would have rather went with the $500 install and went through it with a fine tooth comb, and atleast I would have came out $700 dollars ahead. Thats just my particular situation though. I have to keep in mind that I'm in NC and the Import scene has just become popular here, and same said for engine swapping. Some businesses don't realize yet that there are certain engines out there that are worth something to us import racers. So they are ignorant when selling these engines for dirt cheap, they simply don't know there value. They are catching on though, and have quoted outrageous prices, far above what I could order one from Cali for and have it shipped to my door. Its obvious with this scene being so new here we don't have qualified swappers here either. I would have much preferred to have this transplant done on the west coast, because I have a feeling it would have been done right the first time.

[wagsaccordsir]

And to answer the warranty question; I have never heard of getting a warranty for the swap itself.

[wagsaccordsir]

Yes that is my Accord below all this text. As far as posting a pic of the engine compartment there is one if you watch it long enough. I haven't posted any pics yet as the car is in the body shop getting some more work done to it. My Buddy Club front is being put back on, and the handles are being reshaved, The engine bay is currently a wreck as we have to still paint it. We just put a Clutch Masters Stage 1 clutch and flywheel in, and the MSD goes in on Monday. My intake and headers are on their way and then I will be cleaning the bay up, and will take some better pics to post, then it will be show quality. The pics I have right now, show it right after the swap was done, and it looks horrid. LOL

[dbiggss]

How the hell do you all get the money to do that kind of shit to your cars? I mean damn!!!

[wagsaccordsir]

I'm in the Army....

[Crackerballer]

Sparq your just an asshole, I know nothing about Imports, I have had a 98 camaro, a 2000 SS camaro convertible, and a 2000 mustang GT, not a rice burner yet, and how the hell do you sell any motors with an attitude like that. You are a dick then ask me to buy a motor? Ha, I am looking for advise, not some smart ass remarks by a bitchy person who has nothing better to do than critize a 17 year old for his lack of automotive knowledge. So like I was saying, I am just looking for a good block to put in an Integra.....

[wagsaccordsir]

crackerballer; if you want to email me at [email protected], I could get you pointed in the right direction for a swap.. Before you do it, make sure you let me know, because there are places here in town I do not want you to go to. I wouldnt send my worst enemy to these shops.. Let me know and I can get you some shops that are reputable.. Peace!