Ford Taurus (New)

[shorod]

Originally Posted by Huney1

Third paragraph. http://v8sho.com/SHO/Star%20Tribune.htm
"So Ford sent the 3.0 V6 to Japan, where Yamaha first put dual overhead camshafts on it, then got permission to rebuild the entire engine to Yamaha specifications. That turned the Taurus into a classic sleeper."

Shorod sez: "This says Yamaha did most of the work on the V-6 SHO engine, but not the V-8 SHO engine. It doesn't mention who did the design of the engine (which is a big part of "doing the engine").

Uhh, maybe you missed this part. Notice where it says, "then (Yamaha) got permision to rebuild the (3.0 V6) engine to Yamaha specifications." See, FORD sent the engine to Japan so they could hop it up. "So Ford sent the 3.0 V6 to Japan," So, Yamaha REDESIGNED the engine to YAMAHA specifications. I really don't see where that is so hard to understand and it clearly says "YAMAHA REDESIGNED THE ENGINE TO YAMAHA SPECIFICATIONS." But you claim, "It doesn't mention who did the design of the engine (which is a big part of "doing the engine"). I'm sorry but you lost me there Bro'.

I'm not disputing that Yamaha did extensive work on the V-6 SHO engine. The links you provided seem to attempt to tie the Duratech and the V-8, that's what I'm not sure is accurate. I guess you missed my point, where I wrote, "The fourth paragraph discusses the Duratech, but does not imply that the Duratech was designed by Yamaha. It simply mentions that the V-8 in the SHO was based on the Duratech, but the heads and assembly of the V-8 had Yamaha's help."

The "design of the engine" comment was in reference to the design of the V-8 engine. Read my previous post again. Design and manufacturing are two independent efforts. Sometimes these are done by the same company, sometimes they are not. Some believe the V-8 SHO engine was designed by Ford, some people believe it was designed by Yamaha. Personally, I don't really know, and unless a big wig at Ford comes out and "SHOs" proof who designed the V-8, we'll probably never know and be left to reference websites showing the direction we choose to believe.

Originally Posted by Huney1

I Google and find many, many references with Duratech and Yamaha in the same breath, but since I have a Vulcan it doesn't matter a hill of beans to me. However, you must admit, my reply did trigger a good discussion. You ask where I got the Porsche info, so I gave you the link and in addition proved my point by providing links verifying what I said and IMHO a blind man could see the Duratech was DESIGNED by YAMAHA. I rest my case and put this discussion to rest.

During your Googleing, I suspect you probably came across many sites that mentioned the dispute between whether the V-8 was designed by Ford or designed by Yamaha. There is a chance that many people confuse "manufacture" with "design."

Anyway, I have had a V-6 SHO and a V-8 SHO, and like you, it really doesn't matter to me who designed or modified it, as long as it runs and I enjoy driving it. I guess I'll go back to helping people out rather than disputing what they type.

-Rod

[Huney1]

"During your Googleing, I suspect you probably came across many sites that mentioned the dispute between whether the V-8 was designed by Ford or designed by Yamaha. There is a chance that many people confuse "manufacture" with "design." ROTFL! Now that wuz good and seems you're in a state of denial on this issue.

We aren't trying to confuse the issue, are we? What's with the play on words there? My goodness, if you read the info below it leaves no doubt as to who, "rebuilt the entire engine to YAMAHA specifications." That tells me Yamaha specified the specifications of the engine and if that isn't 'designing' then I don't know what is. If you are saying the article is wrong then that's another denial thing, but please don't tell me anyone with average intelligence will confuse manufacturing with designing.

Lookey here, please read, absorb then meditate and contemplate the meaning: http://v8sho.com/SHO/Star%20Tribune.htm One more time:
"So Ford sent the 3.0 V6 to Japan, where Yamaha first put dual overhead camshafts on it, then (YAHAMA) got permission to rebuild the ENTIRE engine to Yamaha specifications." THAR SHE BLOWS! Entire: Meaning 'all inclusive', meaning Yamaha designed the whole ball of wax. Capish?

OK, I provided hard core evidence links and still haven't received a single link contradicting what I've said. Provide a link because personal opinions and what you "think" is mere hear say.

[shorod]

And one more time, what I said is I don't dispute that the V-6 is a Yamaha design. The original discrepancy is whether the V-8 is a Yamaha design. I don't see anywhere in any of the provided links where it definitively states that the V-8 is a Yamaha design.

-Rod

[brokenantimatter]

Rod, Yamaha very little to do with the V-8 they built/designed the intake runners, camshaft, pistons and a insignificant things. The problem was the term Super.High.Output was part of a contract and for Ford to use SHO on the Taurus, Yamaha had to have some level of significant affilation with the Engine. It orginally took Yamaha a couple of years to rebuild the V6 SHO so Ford saved a lot of money and R&D time buy building the engine restricting what Yamaha could do to it. It basiclly comes down to the same thing as a Mustang Saleen, do you consider it a Ford or Saleen product?

[shorod]

This is my understanding as well, but I've never seen any documentation with details on exactly what Yamaha did with the V-8, seems both Ford and Yamaha want to take credit for the V-8 (unfortunately neither will take ownership of the cam gear issues ). As you understand, I don't think anyone disputes that Yamaha had a large role in the V-6 SHO.

-Rod

Originally Posted by brokenantimatter

Rod, Yamaha very little to do with the V-8 they built/designed the intake runners, camshaft, pistons and a insignificant things. The problem was the term Super.High.Output was part of a contract and for Ford to use SHO on the Taurus, Yamaha had to have some level of significant affilation with the Engine. It orginally took Yamaha a couple of years to rebuild the V6 SHO so Ford saved a lot of money and R&D time buy building the engine restricting what Yamaha could do to it. It basiclly comes down to the same thing as a Mustang Saleen, do you consider it a Ford or Saleen product?

[Huney1]

Whatever . . . . Let's have a Beer and talk about long legged, bow legged wimmen' we've known and loved. Well, there was this gal from El Segundo, Mary Mack all dressed in black, who I gave diamonds and she gave me the disease. Mmmm good, real good . . . .

[shorod]

Mmmm, beer......(drool)

[Huney1]

Originally Posted by shorod

Mmmm, beer......(drool)

Yeah man! Beer AND long legged bow legged wimmens' . . . . .

Well, at least we found something we agree on.

[brokenantimatter]

I prefer scotch

[bsmithey011]

I was a used car dealer and bought used Taurus's all the time. It depends on how bad the rust is. A little is normal, depending on the age and care taken of it. Severe rust often times is indicative of a flood history. Did you pull the CarFax?

[Huney1]

Right on, *severe* rusting is no good. I looked under mine front and back and very little rust other than the engine block. Former owner bought it in NJ and retired down South and up North I know they put salt on the snow, so I'd expect some rust here and there. I've put almost 2500 mi on it since I got it and not one thing wrong and hasn't burnt a drop of oil and getting 23 mpg around town. I live 15 mi from the ocean so we expect metal things to rust.

[brokenantimatter]

I went to a traveling auction yesterday that had 5 '05 Vulcans and they all had rust on the exhaust pipes connecting right at the block and the block itself was severly rusted. These cars had never been driven.