are my tires gonna wear and tear?

[strodda]

more like 'A'. and by excessive i dont mean ALOT, i mean extra. and any ignored preventable wear, is unnecessary. it seems like a good idea to invest in one small purchase that will last for the entire life of the car. especially since some zrated tires have low treadwear.

i use my car just to get to work and school, but because i have 17's im pretty much forced to fork out about $500 for a set of performance/lowprofile tires, so id like to get every mile out of them possible.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by thebobs
ok delsol u like to use logic rite? so the fact that 3 degrees is hardly noticable from the naked eye means it wont wear fast right. well consider this logic: for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. in the case of tires u have a certain surface area pressing a 4th (in the case of one tire) of the weight of the car against the road. Now in the case of normal camber, you would have that weight evenly distributed across the whole tire. Well the fact is, a tire isnt that wide, and a car is fucking heavy, so every little cm displaces some weight. So yes, tilting the tire at even a slight angle, and putting more of that force over a smaller area means the tire is pushing harder on the road, and remeber what i said at the beginning? the road pushes back, oh yes it does, and over that small area it rips rubber off a lot faster.

I suppose that you have shitty tires on your ride, because i could understand a harder tire not taking as excessive wear. But im riding on some soft shit, so i think im going to have to say i dont buy your shit or your diagram.
:finger:

heh

There's no use in argueing with him. He's not going to admit anything. Just leave it be and have people email us for the CORRECT information.

[delsolsi]

Originally posted by thebobs
ok delsol u like to use logic rite? so the fact that 3 degrees is hardly noticable from the naked eye means it wont wear fast right. well consider this logic: for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. in the case of tires u have a certain surface area pressing a 4th (in the case of one tire) of the weight of the car against the road. Now in the case of normal camber, you would have that weight evenly distributed across the whole tire. Well the fact is, a tire isnt that wide, and a car is fucking heavy, so every little cm displaces some weight. So yes, tilting the tire at even a slight angle, and putting more of that force over a smaller area means the tire is pushing harder on the road, and remeber what i said at the beginning? the road pushes back, oh yes it does, and over that small area it rips rubber off a lot faster.heh

Exactly, but not to the extream your thinking.

Originally posted by thebobs
I suppose that you have shitty tires on your ride, because i could understand a harder tire not taking as excessive wear. But im riding on some soft shit, so i think im going to have to say i dont buy your shit or your diagram.
:finger:

heh

OK the tires I've noticed this on that I've owned in the past, some shitty some not.

These were on a 1995 Delsol Si, lowered two inches with intrax springs, 3 different sets of shocks during this time, stock, tokico adjustables, and koni adjustables, -2 degrees camber, 16x7.5 rims with 205/40/16 except Toyo's 215/40/16.
BF Goodrich Euro TA's - Had one set of these back when they were the only tire you could get in 205/40/16. I had one tire wear excessively on the inside. I replaced this tire after getting an alignment. Had no problems after this.
Nitto NT 450's - I had two sets of these with no problems.
Toyo Proxies T1 plus - I had one set of these with no problems.

This set was on a 1996 Acura Integra, lowered about 2.5 inches with ground control coil overs and koni adjustable shocks. Never had the camber tested but when I put the springs on the car I purposefully got all the negative camber I could get from the little bit of slop between the fasteners and were they fasten. This isn't going to net alot of negative camber but more than normal. 17x7.5 rims with 205/40/17.
Yokohama A520 - One set of these with no problems.

On a 1988 RX7, my current car, lowered two inches with intrax springs and non adjustables tokiko, and 17x7.5 rims with 215/45/17. Also don't know the camber, but its big enough when the tires were worn out you could see a very very slight tilt to the inside. By the time the inside was worn the outside was also in need of replacement.
Yokohama A520 - Two sets of these with no problems.

[delsolsi]

Originally posted by strodda
more like 'A'. and by excessive i dont mean ALOT, i mean extra. and any ignored preventable wear, is unnecessary. it seems like a good idea to invest in one small purchase that will last for the entire life of the car. especially since some zrated tires have low treadwear.

i use my car just to get to work and school, but because i have 17's im pretty much forced to fork out about $500 for a set of performance/lowprofile tires, so id like to get every mile out of them possible.

OK then if you want to call this excessive or extra you have every right and I cant argue that, but I can have the opinion that you are being anal about it.

Also I want to clear something up, I'm not saying don't buy a camber kit. I'm saying don't by one because of tire wear, buy one because you want the ability to have a more tuneable suspension. I'm just trying to clear up a myth that camber is the culprit of my definition of excessive tire, when its really toe.

[strodda]

well, since you wanna go calling names im done being polite. you obviously dont know what the hell i mean by "excessive". by definition its exceeding necessary, i thought that was common sense... my fault for assuming. so if perfect camber would wear totally even, either of your two detailed sketches are therefore excessive.

nobody ever said that camber has a major affect on tire wear, all we said is that it does. and futher more, nobody asked for your definition of tirewear... hell i could make up some nonsense shit and say that youre all wrong(but i wouldnt do that, i prefer FACTS... i wish we ALL did). all that was ever asked is if 3degrees will affect tirewear. he didnt ask how much, just if it will. and the answer is yes.

moral of this story, as my dad used to tell me. even a broken clock is right twice a day... so dont worry, you'll have you're time to shine.