Why do you hate Nascar?

[DylanTrott]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

People who drive around a H2 when all it is, is a married woman with 1 kid and a purse to put in the middle. It is the hundreds of millions of cars ( America alone), trucks, SUV's, and even large Semi's that are doing 99.9% of automobile pollution.

So right. I would much rather soccer mom drive a damn sedan and leave the V8s for racing. But alas....

ya know when your behind a Hummer you can't see for shit... its upsetting. Plus they are pretty damn ugly.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

When it comes to racing....of any kind with a gas/diesel motor, fuel effieciency and emissions are the least of the worries. They look how they can win, not how they can make fewer emissions. And the problem isn't NASCAR, F1, Champ Car, etc. The problem is us. People who drive around a H2 when all it is, is a married woman with 1 kid and a purse to put in the middle. It is the hundreds of millions of cars ( America alone), trucks, SUV's, and even large Semi's that are doing 99.9% of automobile pollution.

Thank you for stating it's not the racer's fault.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by HondaDylan

So right. I would much rather soccer mom drive a damn sedan and leave the V8s for racing. But alas....

ya know when your behind a Hummer you can't see for shit... its upsetting. Plus they are pretty damn ugly.

The H1 Alphas are the shit. anything after the H1 is a poser but the Alphas are a technological addition to the original Hummers. Btw, the H1 alpha wasn't made by Hummer anymore...weird.

If people can drive what they wanna drive ( and pollute the earth) than racers can choose drifting over Nascar because they want something else, just like H2 owners not driving Hondas.

[Carfreak18]

NASCAR,you either love it or you hate it,Have any of you even been to any short tracks,like in the pits,thats the real stuff,some might be NASCAR sanctioned but most of these guys run on their own budget,and thats where alot of these NASCAR drivers started,not all,some were handed everything,my cousin races a late model on asphalt,when you can spend 15K on a motor,500 bucks every set of tires(every few races)110 octane every week,trailer,truck,and everything else,with little to no sponsorship,that is real racing,that's where you start and MAYBE one day get to NASCAR.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by Carfreak18

NASCAR,you either love it or you hate it,Have any of you even been to any short tracks,like in the pits,thats the real stuff,some might be NASCAR sanctioned but most of these guys run on their own budget,and thats where alot of these NASCAR drivers started,not all,some were handed everything,my cousin races a late model on asphalt,when you can spend 15K on a motor,500 bucks every set of tires(every few races)110 octane every week,trailer,truck,and everything else,with little to no sponsorship,that is real racing,that's where you start and MAYBE one day get to NASCAR.

Riverhead Raceway by me is a short track, you start with blunderbusts or figure 8's or however much money you have to buy and/or build a race car.

[Carfreak18]

where are you located?..never heard of that track.

[Layla's Keeper]

Seems to me that even if "drifters" hate NASCAR, at least the NASCAR drivers like drifting.



http://www.driftlive.com/?p=342
NASCAR meets D1GP at Irwindale

[kachok25]

No kind of racing can be completly boring, my problem with NASCAR is the way it is run, for example.
These cars have nothing to do with their stock counterparts they should make them use the stock drivetrain, completly stock body shape, stock suspension arms, stock chassies (with roll cages of course).
NASCAR changes the rules for all the different companys, for example they allowed Dodge to stretch the front end of their cars 2.5 extra inches so they could get more downforce because they were not winning any races, about the same time Ford was wining too many races so they had to increase their min height and reduce the width of their rear spoiler. This is all a bunch of BS whoever engineers the best racecar should have that advantage, the ability to have that edge is what drives inovation.
No hair pins, no right turns, the whole thing gets a little repeditive.
Other types of racing have been the insparation for many great cars and inovations, Rally racing is responsable for the development of advanced AWD systems and such cars as the 959, Evo, and WRX STi. The Japaneese near stock racing have spawned such cars as the amazing Supra, NSX, and Skyline. What has NASCAR given us?? NOTHING! ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!! How is a famly sedan limited to very outdated technology going to inovate anything??? I think compared to other types of racing NASCAR is WAY overated and almost a waste of time.

[my99cavy]

NASCAR is not my favorite series!!!

[Layla's Keeper]

Originally Posted by kachok25

No kind of racing can be completly boring, my problem with NASCAR is the way it is run, for example.
These cars have nothing to do with their stock counterparts they should make them use the stock drivetrain, completly stock body shape, stock suspension arms, stock chassies (with roll cages of course).
NASCAR changes the rules for all the different companys, for example they allowed Dodge to stretch the front end of their cars 2.5 extra inches so they could get more downforce because they were not winning any races, about the same time Ford was wining too many races so they had to increase their min height and reduce the width of their rear spoiler. This is all a bunch of BS whoever engineers the best racecar should have that advantage, the ability to have that edge is what drives inovation.

IMSA and the ACO, the sanctioning bodies behind the American Le Mans Series, Le Mans Endurance Series, and Japanese Le Mans Challenge have been changing the rules throughout the whole of 2006 in an attempt to reel in top teams. As of this writing, the Dyson Lola is allowed a weight break and larger fuel cell than the Audi R10, and the Corvette C6R has received air inlet restrictors and weight penalties.

In FIA GT, Speed World Challenge, BTCC, and the former JGTC, winning cars receive "rewards weight" to balance the field. The more you win, the heavier your car gets.

The Grand American Road Racing Association "baselines" all engine packages by testing the engines, establishing the weakest one, and then adjusting the rules for the other engines to bring them down to the weakest engine's level.

Even Australian V8 Supercars routinely rebalances the rulebook to bring the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon more onto an even playing field.

Originally Posted by kachok25

No hair pins, no right turns, the whole thing gets a little repeditive.

Then you dislike oval racing, which is perfectly fine, but there is a huge audience for oval racing and to criticize a series for appealing to an audience you're not a part of is rather ridiculous.

Originally Posted by kachok25

Other types of racing have been the insparation for many great cars and inovations, Rally racing is responsable for the development of advanced AWD systems and such cars as the 959, Evo, and WRX STi. The Japaneese near stock racing have spawned such cars as the amazing Supra, NSX, and Skyline. What has NASCAR given us?? NOTHING! ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!! How is a famly sedan limited to very outdated technology going to inovate anything??? I think compared to other types of racing NASCAR is WAY overated and almost a waste of time.

NASCAR has actually been the inspiration for many great cars and innovation of the past. In fact, were it not for NASCAR the overhead valve engine never would have found precedence in the American motor car over valve-in-block designs.

Little known fact, actually, is that the overhead cam design is far older than the pushrod actuated cam-in-block overhead valve design.

NASCAR is also responsible for lighter American cars gaining favor in the mid-60's (compare a Fairlane to a Galaxie or a Charger to a Fury), and it was NASCAR teams who were at the forefront of streamlining.

In fact, in 1970, a NASCAR stock car was one of the very few racing cars capable of breaching the 200mph barrier (the others being a USAC Indy car, a Can Am car, or a Group 5 prototype such as the Porsche 917).

The Wood Brothers NASCAR team is also credited with inventing the high-speed orchestrated pit stop, and were often called upon as consultants to Indy and F1 teams to improve their pit crew performance.

And when you consider cars like the Hudson Hornet, fuel injected 55-57 Chevrolet Bel Airs, supercharged Ford Fairlanes, Chrysler 300 hemis, Ford Torino Talladega and Mercury Cyclone Spoiler, Dodge Charger Daytona and Plymouth Road Runner Superbird, you see that NASCAR has a rich history of spawning production race cars that further American research into engine development, chassis design, and aerodynamics.

That you cite cars like the Honda/Acura NSX and Nissan Skyline as being creations of Japanese racing proves to me that you really are basing your argument on very few facts. The NSX was conceived as a way to cement the Acura brand as a world luxury player in sales and image. It was a head-on to Ferrari that failed on that account. Oddly enough, the very VERY first place the NSX raced was in SCCA competition IN AMERICA. That car, production #003, was in the care of Realtime Racing, and won Speed World Challenge championships up until it was retired to the Honda museum in Japan.

The Skyline GTR is the sport coupe version of the Skyline sedan. Much the same as the Chevelle SS was the sport coupe version of the Chevrolet Malibu sedan. Its racing pedigree is as an international touring car from the 70's, undefeated in national competition, and an occasional occurence in international competition.

The R32GTR is responsible for the "Godzilla" myth as it dominated Australian Super Touring in the early 90's before the series was reconceived as V8 Supercars. Its main competition came from BMW M3's (E30 generation) and Ford Cosworth Sierras. However, in international competition, the Skyline GTR once again comes up bare.

Its Fairlady Z sports car counterpart, however, has enjoyed international success galore in World Rally (especially the Safari Rally), IMSA, SCCA, and international touring competition. To this day, the Z is an icon, while the Skyline GTR is a curiousity outside of Japan.

In order to make claims about motorsport history, and a particular motorsport's contributions to auto racing, you must first have a basic understanding of motorsports history. You clearly do not. It's quite all right that you dislike NASCAR. I don't like NASCAR either. However, instead of trying to puff up your opinion with half-facts, blanket statements, and pure nonsense, why not simply say "It doesn't appeal to me."?

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

IMSA and the ACO, the sanctioning bodies behind the American Le Mans Series, Le Mans Endurance Series, and Japanese Le Mans Challenge have been changing the rules throughout the whole of 2006 in an attempt to reel in top teams. As of this writing, the Dyson Lola is allowed a weight break and larger fuel cell than the Audi R10, and the Corvette C6R has received air inlet restrictors and weight penalties.

In FIA GT, Speed World Challenge, BTCC, and the former JGTC, winning cars receive "rewards weight" to balance the field. The more you win, the heavier your car gets.

I just finished watching my first Fia GT race and at the 24 hours of Spa, the Maserati got winning weight, and I really like that rule. I however don't like the rules in ALMS where a corvette gets so much weight it never wins. Damn aston martin fanboys.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by Carfreak18

where are you located?..never heard of that track.

Riverhead is out on Long Island of NY, where we used to have tons of tracks but they're all getting bulldozed. Riverhead is a good location though so it gets a lot of business. They host, what I think must be the smallest Nascar race, I don't actually know what it's called but they do 200 laps. Here's the website, which should help explain things better!

http://www.riverheadraceway.com/

[lamehonda]

Watching nascar is very boring. I am sure that participating is another story. I wouldn't be so boring to watch if they would do away with the dang restrictor plates and let em go 220 or so.


Oh, and to answer your question. I HATE Nascar because it killed the greatest channel ever- Speedvision.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by lamehonda

Watching nascar is very boring. I am sure that participating is another story. I wouldn't be so boring to watch if they would do away with the dang restrictor plates and let em go 220 or so.


Oh, and to answer your question. I HATE Nascar because it killed the greatest channel ever- Speedvision.

I'm glad someone said it. it's all advertising to those goof balls now. Remember speedboat night and stunt-plane night and Muscle Car night? That was the greatest format ever. You can still catch some of those shows but very rarely.

[drftk1d]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

Riverhead is out on Long Island of NY, where we used to have tons of tracks but they're all getting bulldozed. Riverhead is a good location though so it gets a lot of business. They host, what I think must be the smallest Nascar race, I don't actually know what it's called but they do 200 laps. Here's the website, which should help explain things better!

http://www.riverheadraceway.com/

Ironic that drift events are held there, no?


I feel that NASCAR, while I do deeply respect the drivers and teams, the sport is just boring to watch.

Give me SPEED World Challenge, now thats some exciting racing.