manual installation?

[xeroinfinity]

For what you would spend swaping the auto to a manual, you'd save ton$ of ca$h just buying the manual TA

The only cheap way to do this would to be to get a donar car for all the parts, then install it yourself.
It sounds like an easy thing to do, but far from it.

I think the manual tranys are tougher then the auto ones.
But, I drive autos like manuals

Thats why I'd like a 98-99 manual TA, I like keeping busy

[Dyno247365]

Okay I think we've established to wait for a manual to buy or if you want to drag race, performance autos get the job done.

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by xeroinfinity

I think the manual tranys are tougher then the auto ones.
But, I drive autos like manuals

If by tougher you mean ability to handle power, then no, its the opposite. If your talking reliability of handling that power and abusing it. I would have to agree based on the amount of auto' s I hear, getting killed by enthusiast drivers.

[Dyno247365]

Say you put 2 race drivers against eachother, one in a standard firebird and one in an automatic firebird. They both have the same racing skill, but the manual driver has the ability to shift faster. You're telling us that all that fast shifting will still be slower than a 4L60E/4L80E? That would mean the T-56 is flawed...

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver_28

Say you put 2 race drivers against eachother, one in a standard firebird and one in an automatic firebird. They both have the same racing skill, but the manual driver has the ability to shift faster. You're telling us that all that fast shifting will still be slower than a 4L60E/4L80E? That would mean the T-56 is flawed...

You think a average skill driver can shift a car faster than a computer without engaging and disengaging a clutch can?

You are also not thinking of a transmission as a distribution of gears and not just black and white boxes. A more aggressive first gear is a major advantage in out of the hole racing.

[xeroinfinity]

Originally Posted by FormulaLT1

If by tougher you mean ability to handle power, then no, its the opposite. If your talking reliability of handling that power and abusing it. I would have to agree based on the amount of auto' s I hear, getting killed by enthusiast drivers.

Yes I mean manuals handle that HP better than an automatic.
Granted an auto is quicker at shifting then a manual.

Just to many things to go wrong in an automatic trans and more of a pita to work on too.

I suppose thiers drawbacks on both, and its all personal preferance. When I'm in the city I hate stop and go with a manual trans.

I hav never killed a manaul(maybe a clutch), but I sure the hell hav killed more automatics then I care to count

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by FormulaLT1

You think a average skill driver can shift a car faster than a computer without engaging and disengaging a clutch can?

You are also not thinking of a transmission as a distribution of gears and not just black and white boxes. A more aggressive first gear is a major advantage in out of the hole racing.

Alright well I heard automatics were better for bracket racing but I didn't know they were faster than stick.

[skibum1111]

Originally Posted by xeroinfinity

I hav never killed a manaul(maybe a clutch), but I sure the hell hav killed more automatics then I care to count

I've killed exactly 2 manual transmissions in 18 years. The first one was killed by abuse but oulasted 3 clutches, numerous u-joints, 3 sets of spider gears, and a couple of transmission mounts. The second one ran out of oil and ate a few critical bearings (thanks jiffy lube for telling me the trans was full ), that one is coming apart in a week or 2, should have pictures of how ugly that is. Yes, a manual trans can handle the power and abuse that an auto won't, but they are not impossible to kill. Anyone want to guess how long Luos's trans would last under some serious continual abuse?

[Dyno247365]

Poor Luos's transmission, we knew it well...

[xeroinfinity]

I hav broke half shafts, and a few spider gears, but they are easier to replace then a lets say planetary gear in an auto.

I can rebuild a manual alot fastr ans easier than an automatic.

Ya Skibum I havnt heard Mr Luos talk about beafing that trany of his up ....
Hum,.... I'm sure we'll all hear when it does, maybe he's done something we dont know about

[xeroinfinity]

Poor Luos's transmission, we knew it well...

So it already died ?

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by xeroinfinity

So it already died ?

It was a joke...ha ha

[FormulaLT1]

Yeah, Mr.Luos is definetly outside the torque rating a LS1 T-56 can handle but as long as he limits his abuse to occasional, he might get by for a while without a issue.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by FormulaLT1

Yeah, Mr.Luos is definetly outside the torque rating a LS1 T-56 can handle but as long as he limits his abuse to occasional, he might get by for a while without a issue.

The occasional 4th gear burnout

[94formula]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

Let's say I found the perfect LT1 firebird in my area at a dealer. Say I saved money from searching for a manual because it was an automatic, all hypothetical of course...lol. How much would it cost to get a T56 installed, pedals, gearbox and where would I go for this? I have NO time to do it myself

if you are concerned about the differences have you ever thought about the idea of a shift kit or an electronic shift improver kit? my 94 formula is an auto but it has a performance transmission button on the center console, when i push the button it seems to change the shift points, make the car wind out a little higher before shifting, and the electronic shift improver kit that i have makes the car shift between gears faster, so the two together almost make up for it being an automatic.