NA vs Turbo

[UncleBob]

Originally Posted by Right_LiRrr

And I didn't even mean for it to be deregatory

I'd hate to see what it looks like when you're going out of your way to be derogatory

I wouldn't call it a stupid question. It was a very ignorant question. Everyone is very ignorant about many things. Yes he can do searches on it, but its a lot easier to ask someone that is knowledgable to give informed, easy-to-understand answers, and who might also know some good sites to point them to for further education. Many sites that are found in the search engine are too technical and confusing, or simply bad info.

We were all ignorant about turbo's and engines at some point. Most of my education came from researching, but I'm sure I asked a lot of stupid question too...

[Clutch_Kick]

Originally Posted by UncleBob

I'd hate to see what it looks like when you're going out of your way to be derogatory

I wouldn't call it a stupid question. It was a very ignorant question. Everyone is very ignorant about many things. Yes he can do searches on it, but its a lot easier to ask someone that is knowledgable to give informed, easy-to-understand answers, and who might also know some good sites to point them to for further education. Many sites that are found in the search engine are too technical and confusing, or simply bad info.

We were all ignorant about turbo's and engines at some point. Most of my education came from researching, but I'm sure I asked a lot of stupid question too...

oh man, thanks alot bro, your a blessing.

honestly though, Bob has a point, picture yourself back in the days when you were also once clueless, i bet that things struck your mind that you thought were very easy to answer or even simple, and because you didnt know, you asked for advice. if we arent informed much about a certain bit of info.....its hard not to be ignorant, obvioulsy people dont mean to be purposely ignorant, its just that they dont understand as much as others, surely you can understand where i'm comin from.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by Right_LiRrr

But having said that, some turbo cars are just for marketing. What you really gotta look at is the end wheels hp rating and the power and torques curves. There are many turbo cars that put out tiny power and the turbo is simply to be able to have a tiny engine.

Before you question the ignorance of others you should be careful about expressing your own.

Turbocharging increases and engines efficiency, but there is no law that states that increased efficiency must be used in a high performance car tio make it faster.
It can instead be used to make a car more economical to run, or fit with in a different tax or insurance bracket in some markets.

[Right_LiRrr]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Before you question the ignorance of others you should be careful about expressing your own.

Turbocharging increases and engines efficiency, but there is no law that states that increased efficiency must be used in a high performance car tio make it faster.
It can instead be used to make a car more economical to run, or fit with in a different tax or insurance bracket in some markets.

That's not what I was trying to say, let me try to express that paragraph again.

What I was trying to say is that although usually turbo cars are of a high performance category, some car companies simply have a turbo model car just so they can market it as a "turbo model", thereby increasing the cool factor of the company. And that it's not the turbo in itself that matters but the end hp and torque curves of the engine. i.e. there are other reasons for using turbos.

Just to back that up, there have been models of cars where companies tuborcharge tiny engines not to have a fast high performance vehicle but to have a more efficient tiny engine and to have the marketing appeal of "turbo model" (I think one of the SMART cars is of this philosophy?http://www.smartaustralia.com.au/ind...link_id=13.907 and http://www.smartaustralia.com.au/index.aspx?link_id=13.904.

In summary, turbo doesn't mean high performance, there are other reasons to turbocharge a vehicle. --- >which is sort of what you said.

Sorry for not making that absolutely clear in my last post.



However, I still stand by my original point. Much better discussion is initiated when specific questions are asked e.g. i need a small car with big power, is it better to go FI or NA ; rather than, which is better, FI or NA.

It's not even about ignorance, everyone is ignorant about something. But if you want to acquire knowledge, put some pre reading into it and ask specific questions and you get a much better answer.

I suppose I could have been nicer about it, but I am sometimes quite a blunt person when answering questions. I apologise if it deeply offended anyone as that was not my aim.

Just to back that up, look at my original post:

dude, look on google first. u r asking one of the most generic questions in relation to cars.
Blunt but true
it makes u look like an idiot and other will treat u like one.
Case in point "Turbo cars have a turbo, and cars without a turbo dont have turbos. Or was you not looking for a smartass answer?"
You can write an entire thesis on this topic.
Blunt but true
Generally, it comes down to that you want out of your car and that is the only thing that will determine if one is better than the other.
Trying to give some help by providing a general answer to a general question



If you are scared of highly techincal write ups (I am) try http://www.howstuffworks.com/

They have very easy to understand explanations of both NA and FI engines and by using some intuition you can sorta figure out the advantages of one over the other and if not, it will give u some basic knowledge to try to tackle some more techinical articles.

[UncleBob]

in other words, he didn't word it to your liking. If he had said instead "in general terms, what are the advantages and disadvantages between a stock NA car and a stock turbo'd car?"

That is a pretty simple, generic question that is easy to answer which I think is worth asking. MOST people, who aren't familiar with cars, would not be able to answer that question, so its a good one.

I think you simply read too much into his question.

[Right_LiRrr]

Originally Posted by UncleBob

in other words, he didn't word it to your liking. If he had said instead "in general terms, what are the advantages and disadvantages between a stock NA car and a stock turbo'd car?"

That is a pretty simple, generic question that is easy to answer which I think is worth asking. MOST people, who aren't familiar with cars, would not be able to answer that question, so its a good one.

I think you simply read too much into his question.

I agree. I read a lot into it because he said he was BUYNG one or the other. Therefore I immediately assumed that he needed help in buying a car. Therefore it would help greatly if he was more specific about what the car is to be used for and what he values in his cars.

[Clutch_Kick]

right now it doesnt matter, LiRrr came through and ended up helping me alot, thanks alot bro, i also appreciate the back-up from Uncle Bob. In the end i learned much from this "dispute". I also promise to use a more specific approach to get propper results....

once again, thanks alot.

[Right_LiRrr]

Originally Posted by Clutch_Kick

right now it doesnt matter, LiRrr came through and ended up helping me alot, thanks alot bro, i also appreciate the back-up from Uncle Bob. In the end i learned much from this "dispute". I also promise to use a more specific approach to get propper results....

once again, thanks alot.

no problems. i am a jackass a lot...i don't dispute that =P ...but i do like to help.

You just gotta realise that there is a wealth of knowledge on these forums, there are some real smart ppl on here, but to get the most out of it you need to ask specific questions. if u don't, ppl will just see it as an excuse to rant about their own pride and joy (we all love to) and the thread goes off topic and the tread gets locked.

Just keep that in mind for the future and u will enjoy ur stay on AF much better.

When u been on for a while u get cranky when u can sense a thread going to shit --> i'm glad this one was luckily turned around and ended up helping you.

[Clutch_Kick]

thanks bro

[Carfreak18]

I can relate this happening to me recentley, I asked a question,didnt give enough details and alot of the people didnt believe me and thought I was making things up, EVEN when I posted a pic of me and the car people were acting like idiots, It's gonna happen just supply detail thats all.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by Carfreak18

people were acting like idiots,

Yes, but your one of those few people who should read more and post less

[kachok25]

OK there are a few other things here to consider. not to be offensive but it is pretty clear that you don't know a whole hell of alot about proformance cars, so consider this, you should probably learn to drive a NA car before you try to tackle a turbo, since money is an issue keeping a four cylinder toyota running will cost alot less than racing a rotory engine. The AE86 is a great little first time sportscar I would recomend it to a noob like yourself just do all of us yoda fans a favor and don't put the giant wing and coffee can exaust tip on it PLEASE.