Z06 Vs. 2003 Cobra

[robslob]

How much horsepower do you think you can gain on the corvette's engine with new cams and cylinder heads? U think 200hp????? I don't think so. You talk about the vette's detuned engine like it has a blower or something. Then you talk about slapping a blower on a Camaro. . . we're talking about a stock supercharger----3 year warranty-----for $35k-------that makes your $50k corvette----at 405hp------OVERPRICED. Try to follow me, I know these analogies are difficult for you Chevy guys. You can buy your cams and your cylinder heads for your precious vette engine and you are more than half way to the price of a blower. With a Kenny Brown Level 5 suspension set up ($3,000) and a fully tuned 03 Cobra-------you get a vehicle that will terminate any Vette thats been put into production----and thats not debatable------because blown kenny brown Cobra's have outperformed any aftermarket tuner for vettes. Thats the bottom line

[-cy-]

Wow, the i'm sorry i questioned you, the cobra is god....


Ok, lets see...first off if you wanna go with money as a concern, lets go with the MUCH cheaper f-body LS1. Now, add a head and cam package for around $2500. With that much, depending on the cam and heads, you can easily hit 450hp N/A (some cams can get you to 390hp with no heads), and these numbers are all the the ground.

Now, you are saying i'm talking about adding stuff to a stock car....so are you. The cobra costs $35k, realistically $40k though. Now, you can REALISTICALLY get a new (if you can find it) Z28 stripper for around $21k, get a blower which with tuning and whatnot will cost you $6k and hit 500rwhp. That will give you roughly 8k to work with, now with that a head and cam package can be bought (firgure $3k), LT headers ($1k), and then with the remaining 4k get forged crank, rods, and pistons. Then you are at the price range of the cobra.

This is my point, the cobra STOCK (NO MODS) is decently fast, but then so is the LS1. If you do ANYTHING at all to the cobra then try to comare it, all bets are off.

With that all said, i have nothing against the cobra. I am biased having an LS1, but i'd like to have a cobra as well (not that rich though, heh). I have respect for both cars, but unfortunately you seem pretty closed minded. Ya the cobra may be putting down some pretty decent numbers stock, but that doesn't make it a better car.

[-cy-]

Also, you are comparing to the vette and then you are saying performance for the buck. If you wanna go down that route compare to the LS1 f-body, its the same engine, much less price.

When you buy a vette, you are paying a lot for the car itself and the name. Its a beautiful car, although not the best bang for the buck performance car by far, but its a damn nive car.

I in no way worship a particular car, all cars have their flaws and their strong points, its all about what tickles yer pickle more. For me, i like chevy, dunno why i just do. Ya know what though, i'd love to grab a older mustang (i'm into the older muscle cars more) and have some fun. For me, its all about CARS, i love them. Maybe for you, its trying to compensate or be better in some way.

Here: the cobra is a more powerful/faster car stock vs. stock than the vette or f-body. I think its true, make you happy? Hope it makes you more secure.

I hate these people that have to turn everything into a grudge, what happened to the "muscle car" guys. The people into muscle cars and performance for the cars, not just one type, but all of for the speed and power they have. With that i think, went a respect for others who had a love for the same thing, and an acceptance. These days it seems like if you like different things it is a grudge. The ONLY group of cars i hate are rice rockets, fast imports are cool with me, but the guys who do stupid stuff and make asses of themselves, i depise. If a guy has a civic and puts all the kits and crap on, but says and realizes its a show car not a racer, sweet for him, but if he puts on loud exhaust, intake, a huge spoiler and body kit, the glowing winshield sprays, lowers it onto the ground and then runs around acting like he can beat every car on the road....pisses me off.

I've said my piece, thanks.

[96 LT1-Z]

Robslob, for 1 35k< in your dreams. You have to pay a 1000$ gas guzzler tax off the top. And you should know that this car is going to be marked up, and include financing, a 40+k mustang. As far as your Kenny Brown level 5 suspension, whoopty do! Do you think a Corvette's suspension is unmoddable? And you can get a Corvette with no markup, and if you want, Lingenfelter offers a supercharger kit for 8k complete with a warranty that mirrors the factory's for your powertrain. In a non-Z06 C5 it produced 11's at over 125mph on street tires. And considering that stock bottom end LS1's have been taking as much as 600whp and living, testifies to the engine's strength. Ford's new since 1979 platform, however modded it is will not going to match a Corvette mod for mod. John Colleti is even quoted as saynig "The Corvette is America's only real sports car, period." Stock for stock, an 03 Cobra will match a nonZ06 C-5's acceleration, but will not corner nor stop with it. Ford has done one thing though. GIven the Mustang faithful something to be proud of for the next year or so. Chevy is obviously content to let them have their glory, with the soon pending release of the C6, so enjoy it , while it lasts. Put that in your Fairlane and smoke it.

[robslob]

"Stock for stock, an 03 Cobra will match a nonZ06 C-5's acceleration, but will not corner nor stop with it. Ford has done one thing though. GIven the Mustang faithful something to be proud of for the next year or so."----these statements are true my friend----but Ford doesn't have to match the Cobra with the Z06----and you know why, genius? Because Chevy has no aftermarket. What is Ligenfelter , really? I'll tell you what-----a grossly overpriced aftermarket tuner---that is slowly gaining infamy like Hennessy. Ford has a monster aftermarket---and an affordable one for that matter. So monstrous now-----that for $4,000 in suspension parts and maybe $700 for a chip and 8lb pulley----can slap around any Corvette that is yet to come. You Vette guys don't realize it yet-----but the Cobra is about to become what the vette has always been-----a worthy adversary pound for pound. The stock vette will always beat out a stock Cobra------BUT the undebatable bottom line is simply that the Cobra comes ready with all the stock components necessary to be a great platform for the building of a supercar. That Eaton supercharger is tunible to the point of about 520RWHP. Sure, you want realistic-----lets say markup on the cobra coupe is more like $40k-----but a vette----no I'm sorry-----a Z06 at $50k + an $8k Lingenfelter brings that two a bargain basement number of? What? It can't be . . . $58k???? No way! Oh and I forgot-----the stock Z06 suspension needs to be modified---because it can't handle that kind of horsepower----without serious wear------I think my point has been made. The Z06 buddy, is a pretty heavily 'aftermarketed' car----so don't kid yourself. But bang for the buck-----doesn't come close to being what a Cobra is. Besides----an 03 Cobra looks better than a vette----my opinion-------but an opinion shared by many.

[-cy-]

Why not compare to the LS1 f-body if you want bang for the buck? Just about $20k for the ones still on dealer lots, and dynoing around 300hp at the wheels stock.

The Z06's suspension is actually really good, dunno why you think it would have to be upgraded much if any. You are trying to enter value into the equation, but ignore the fact that there is a better bang for you buck car, the f-body. Ya, a stock '03 cobra will take a stock '02 LS1 f-bod, but there is a $20k price difference...

Why do you have a problem with the vette? Why does every car suck that is in competition with your beloved car? Make some sense. You obviously aren't much of a car enthusiast, you are some ass just trying to be cool or better than people in some way, unfortunately it isn't working. With that said, i'll add that i love both cars, i would die for a chance to rip through the gears of an '03 cobra, '94 cobra, '97 GT, SS, formula, etc....The thing to me is i love muscle cars, and types like it. I get giddy as hell when a friend lets me drive their car (as long as its manual and not a complete POS). I enjoy the cars, their power, their looks, feel, and the mentality and culture that goes along with it. You don't seem to have the same wide-spread enthusiasm, and i feel sorry for you.


Truthfully, i almost bought a '98 stang GT, but the formula caught me a bit more. I'd be happy with either car...well, as long as i could mod it.

[robslob]

I am an enthusiast----you should reread some of the posts in the Corvette section-----talking about its greatness-----I'm simply giving an objective comparison of both cars----but you as a Corvette lover-----only want to draw out anymosity on this subject-----I'm not bashing the vette-----but the claims of the Z06 and its price tag-----are hollow views that don't hold up to what Ford has just put forward. If you know so much much about the vette and 03 Cobra-----then you would agree with me. If you don't thats fine-----but everything I've said about the cobra and Vette is entirely true. If Chevy can build a better vette at this time-----then it should come forward and I think it will. But I live in world where it is OK to discuss topics and point out deficiencies and improvements. I never bashed the vette-----just pointed out how its now trailing a bit-----~ The cobra has trailed the SS camaro in performance for years------now it doesn't-----and it no longer trails the Z06. The Z06 isn't the top dog anymore-----and thats my only point. If you think that lateral g grip is the only means of grading a car's 'super star' status---then you are sadly mistaken. Wait till you see the GT40----even SVT is privately giggling----because of the insane grip and handling it will have. I can guarantee you it will out handle the Z06----if it is built the expectations-----and all it will be---is a supercharged street demon. Give the Cobra its props------and please-------stop being so overly sensitive------are you on the rag or something-----who knows--------maybe CY has a pink taco where he should have a 'big daddy' longcocks hangin

[-cy-]

oh sorry, i don't try to find every post you made.

So far all you did was bash the vette, which is fine, but you never showed your love for both cars.

I defended the vette because you were ripping on it, but then i mentioned i liked both, and the '03 is a great car.

Basically, ya an '03 with a small mod can outrun a Z06, and price for price the '03 wins. Happy? I realize this, i was just trying to keep you from completely ripping the vette appart, its a great car as well.

[lloyd_nickens]

*Nissan owner walks into room. puts out finger and shouts: SKYLINE WILL RULE OVER ALL!!!!!!!! :finger: and then runs away for fear of the pending heat...*

all joking aside, I am not a large Chevy or Ford fan but I must concede that the Vette is pretty impressive. The only way the 03 Cobra could really touch a Vette/Z06 would be if it had all the creature comforts (power everything, radio, a defroster etc) that the Vette has. And still be able to out handle it stock for stock. because that is what it is all about. It would be unfair to pick two car to go head to head that are in different brackets.


*who else makes an 140 hp engine that can support 500 horses before needing any internal modifications?*

[96 LT1-Z]

You really think Chevy has no aftermarket? That's got to be the stupidest thing i've heard since the 1900's. Only a fool would believe that. Look, even Ford knows the 03' Cobra can't hang with the Z06. They won't even compare it to the Z06. The Z06 out traps it by @ 4mph in the quarter and easily outhandles it. And what would make you think SVT is snikering about the GT40? It's not even intended to compete with the vette. It's going to cost well over 100k. And the Z06 is regarded by Road &Track as the best handling production car they have ever tested. By time we see the GT40(not that the GT40 has anything to do with the original topic, seems as if the ford faithful are grabbing at straws) the Vette will be alot more powerful, and not saying it will be as faster, or as fast for that matter, but the gap will not be as wide as you think. The Gt40 is intended to be an "exotic" the Vette isn't. And you lloyd nickens, who the fuck cares about an SR20? Besides a stock Skyline will only turn mid 13's. A real bargain for 90k imported huh?

[robslob]

I'd rather drive a subaru WRX--than a damn Skyline-----on other matters-----LS6-----you're nuts-------you can't even compare the Z06 anymore to an 03 Cobra------the cobra is running '7psi-----and can run 16psi----on that stock eaton supercharger------bottom line-------pulley + custom chip------= well it ain't even fair. And I don't want to hear any crap about the vette not having a supercharger---------because thats the main difference here! $50k/405hp/ or $40k for coupe/ capable of 500rwhp----close to 600flywheel/ 3 year warranty! Hands down----very simple selection------oh and by the way-------03 cobra stock suspension can handle 500rwhp. who cares what the stock magazine numbers are in every head to head comparason. with a supercharger-----Ford could launch that to the dealer floors at 500RWHP--------but then again, if that was done-----Chevy would get pissed------and hurry up their time table to supercharge Vette. In do time------Chevy will do the same and supercharge their vette------and realize how much more can be saved on parts-----they are already using a lot of forged components on their Z06 engine-----might as well supercharge it.
Lastly, don't try to compare the aftermarket for Chevy--as if it were ford----Its a David and Goliath matchup-----Ford Racing has more for every time of Ford engine ever made than Chevy has for their engines--------not mention an insanely wicked suspension catalog to boot. Some of the Cobra R stuff is even buying mimicked by the guys that built the new Viper-----oh yea-----they're so damn original over Dodge too.

[-cy-]

Originally posted by robslob
[b]$50k/405hp/ or $40k for coupe/ capable of 500rwhp----close to 600flywheel/ 3 year warranty

You are not even seeing the point. Yes, the cobra is capable of 500rwhp (and that doesn't equate to 600hp fly wheel), but that is with MODS dumbass. You are trying to compare a stock and moded car? The vette with mods is capable of 500rwhp.

This my point, both are cool cars. If you even TRY to bring price into it, don't ignore the f-body LS1 damnit, its a value compared to the vette. You bitch about the price of a vette but ignore the f-body. You pay more for the vette because its a vette. I know the extra money doesn't go to pure performance, but if i had the money i'd be in one, i just like vettes.

This is also to say that yes, the cobra is quote a car now. I love that ford finally put out something to cure cravings of power.

GM has a fair aftermarket, so don't act like it doesn't. Both cars can be modded to be the best, so don't get into that.

Price for price i'd take the cobra, the blower attracts me. If i realistically had the cash, i'd buy the vette, i like vettes...

You are so dead set on trying to make everyone think "hey, GM sucks and we should all suck ford's dick", well shut it. Both companies have put their share of good cars, and both have their share of aftermarkets. It would be great if you accepted your own opinion as just that, and opinion. You seem to believe that what you believe is the god-given law, unfortunately we all have different thoughts and preferances, so we all think different things. I prefer one of those cars, but i am open minded enough to say they are both great cars, it comes down to preferance.

[96 LT1-Z]

Robslob, the small block chevy is the widest used high performance V-8 on the planet period. Don't believe me, do some research. The big block chevy is also the most popular big block. Every aftermarket producer of big and small block parts makes them for Chevrolet's first, and then adapts them to ford and then mopar. It's done in order of popularity and which will make them the most money. So please, drop the aftermarket argument. Hell if you want call one of the many and ask which brand they sell the most of. Bow tie baby......

[lloyd_nickens]

Originally posted by 96 LT1-Z
. And you lloyd nickens, who the fuck cares about an SR20? Besides a stock Skyline will only turn mid 13's. A real bargain for 90k imported huh?

96 LT1-Z:

If I believed there was a GOD he would not like you! Anyhow. I was just trying to lighten things up. Geez you guys act like this shit is the end of the world. If stuff goes down like it seems like its gonna I don't think anyone will be able to afford the pay for the gas they want to put in their cars.

and besides I really want a Jaguar XJ220 whos performance makes most other cars look slow. (Which can be had for a lil less than a Murcielago)

Everyone else:

I took a side already and there is no point in me backing away from it.

[robslob]

" You are not even seeing the point. Yes, the cobra is capable of 500rwhp (and that doesn't equate to 600hp fly wheel), but that is with MODS dumbass. You are trying to compare a stock and moded car? The vette with mods is capable of 500rwhp."-------Oh sorry CY----you are right------if I'm saying 500rwhp------with an 18% loss from crankshaft to rear tires = 590hp flywheel-------oh thanks very much----dumbass. No shit about the mods------but you are way wrong-------if you think that a MAF/ K&N/ headers/exhaust bolt on to the vette engine for 500hp lol------thats a fricken laugh-------and you know why------5.0 magazine pulled that combo back in their Octoiber 01 issue-------and we were talking only 461hp-----oh and by the way------thats flywheel -------- but I bet to you------you probably think that the vette gets 461RWHP------learn your facts before you criticize REAL facts. Same mods on the Cobra------and you get more power than a vette will see without a cam and head swap . . . -------hey bro------pickup a copy of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords mag-----they've already done the mods that I mentioned---------and they sure as hell aren't any bull. I love you retarts who pull shit out of your ass on this board------my refernces are mags that have actually tested the products on the production cars-------unlike the stories that you fabricate at your lunch room table after Algebra class.