Is E 85 Gas really the solution advertised???

[jumpingjack66]

Liberal Polatitions find a topic to use to get into the whitehouse and then all the american sheep follow. Next they will want to extinguish the volcanoes and kill all the animals emiting methane just so, here in america our air will be much cleaner then anyware else on the planet. fucking idiots.Actually we are going into an ice age and the earth is still under its average mean temp. This means the earth has been much colder and much warmer, And remember the Earth has been here 4.8 Billion years. Global warming my ass, the problem is allowing big corperations to dump waist into our water while they distract the sheep in America by waving the Global Warming campain, Wake up America .jj

[wrparks]

Actually, I partially agree with JJ. The fact of the matter is, our understanding of global climate is very weak. In the 70's, all you heard was global cooling, now it's the opposite. It is all about fearmongering the public to get what you want. Now, that said, there is solid science to support the "theory" for global warming, we just don't know the full model. The problem is scientists do not understand how many things produce gh gasses. It was just published a few months ago that many plants actually produce methane gas, a gh gas, which completely screws up their models for how human made gh gases would impact the climate. But this is not reported. This is something I understand better than cars/trucks because I spent my undergrad days in botany.

As far as ETOH goes, I agree with most of you as I've already said. The only statement I disagree with is one made by lightning about corporate farmers being the majority instead of family farms. I would bet if you look at numbers, yes corporations do run most farms. However, who owns the corporation. US tax laws provides for benefits for incorporating farms. My family's farm is incorporated, but is still family owned and controlled. I would bet most are this way right now.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by wrparks

Actually, I partially agree with JJ. The fact of the matter is, our understanding of global climate is very weak. In the 70's, all you heard was global cooling, now it's the opposite. It is all about fearmongering the public to get what you want. Now, that said, there is solid science to support the "theory" for global warming, we just don't know the full model. The problem is scientists do not understand how many things produce gh gasses. It was just published a few months ago that many plants actually produce methane gas, a gh gas, which completely screws up their models for how human made gh gases would impact the climate. But this is not reported. This is something I understand better than cars/trucks because I spent my undergrad days in botany.

As far as ETOH goes, I agree with most of you as I've already said. The only statement I disagree with is one made by lightning about corporate farmers being the majority instead of family farms. I would bet if you look at numbers, yes corporations do run most farms. However, who owns the corporation. US tax laws provides for benefits for incorporating farms. My family's farm is incorporated, but is still family owned and controlled. I would bet most are this way right now.

Don't forget the vast amount of methane cows give off.

Not to mention that politicians and the environmental wackos try to throw global warming out there as though it's strictly a problem cause by man.

[gremlin96]

you could try this. turn your trash into oil.


http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003...-Oil1may03.htm

Unlike other solid-to-liquid-fuel processes such as cornstarch into ethanol, this one will accept almost any carbon-based feedstock. If a 175-pound man fell into one end , he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water. While no one plans to put people into a thermal depolymerization machine, an intimate human creation could become a prime feedstock. "There is no reason why we can't turn sewage, including human excrement, into a glorious oil," says engineer Terry Adams, a project consultant. So the city of Philadelphia is in discussion with Changing World Technologies to begin doing exactly that.

"The potential is unbelievable," says Michael Roberts, a senior chemical engineer for the Gas Technology Institute, an energy research group. "You're not only clean ing up waste; you're talking about distributed generation of oil all over the world."

"This is not an incremental change. This is a big, new step," agrees Alf Andreassen, a venture capitalist with the Paladin Capital Group and a former Bell Laboratories director.

Andreassen and others anticipate that a large chunk of the world's agricultural, industrial, and municipal waste may someday go into thermal depolymerization machines scattered all over the globe. If the process works as well as its creators claim, not only would most toxic waste problems become history, so would imported oil. Just converting all the U.S. agricultural waste into oil and gas would yield the energy equivalent of 4 billion barrels of oil annually. In 2001 the United States imported 4.2 billion barrels of oil. Referring to U.S. dependence on oil from the volatile Middle East, R. James Woolsey, former CIA director and an adviser to Changing World Technologies, says, "This technology offers a beginning of a way away from this."