speed limiter

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by Faze3

Hmm.

Glad I got rid of my 2001 Ram 1500 then (don't say it).

I had a problem w/cold starts. One of their attempted solutions was a software update that just happened to remove the govenor. I think it was supposed to limit you to 99, but I was able to get it upto 120 after they flashed the computer.

Still makes me wonder how everyone can be selling these devices...

10-4 on that Faze3
Sorry about the long post on rules and regulations on it. But when the EPA has a hand in it no wonder. That part even surprised me.
MT

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by silveradoking

Oh, by the way, I '()' all your spelling mistakes...

"That is a good question and point.
I will have to do some research to find the laws on it when my time permits.
And if anyone else has some information feel free to chip in.
Even though it is standard information and procedure for (a) repair shops not to mess with or tamper with any federal (emmisions) stuff or saftey devices.
I am not sure what all the EPA might cover on it.
But I do know several years back when ever I replaced a cat I had to send in a form as to why and what mileage I replaced it and what I done with the old one.
Also a repair shop is not allowed to by a used cat from a salvage yard or the salvage yard is not allowed to sell one to a repair shop.
But the car owner can buy one.
A lot of it goes back to the 1980 emmisions laws on not removing cats and been added to since.
All car (manfactures) have to meet federal (emmisions) and (saftey) (guide lines.)
You might start searching there and go from there.
Under federal auto (emmisions) laws.
MT"

Well run this threw your spell checker and it might be in your best interest to learn to read while you are at it.
Have a good day and keep up that spell checking for me.
MT

[MT-2500]

[quote=silveradoking]Oh, by the way, I '(@#*&%$#))&^#@!&&)' all your spealling mistakes...

Check this out for spealling and read it to while you are at it.

Federal emissions laws of the EPA clean air act
203 section 3-A

The Law reads.

(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or


The penality can be.

SEC. 205. A CIVIL PENALTIES.
(a) Violations.- Any person who violates sections 203(a)(1),
203(a)(4), or 203(a)(5) or any manufacturer or dealer who
violates section 203(a)(3)(A) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $25,000. Any person otherthan a manufacturer or
dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) or any person who
violates section 203(a)(3)(B) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $2,500. Any such violation with respect to
paragraph (1),(3)(A), or (4) of section 203(a) shall constitute a
separate offense with respect to each motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine. Any such violation with respect to section
203(a)(3)(B) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to
each part or component. Any person who violates section 203(a)(2)
shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000 per
day of violation.

[NoRiceHere01]

what the heck is all this?all the guy asked was what he needed to do to remove the speed limiter on his truck. he didnt ask if it was legal or smart. he also didnt ask about catalytic converters. im savin my pennies for a nelson tune and when i get it my speed limiter and cats r both gonna be gone. if that is not in accordance with new jersey or federal emission standards they can buy the truck from me and fix it. for fear of bein banned or gettin the thread locked im not gonna say what i feel about those people tellin me what i can and cannot do to my own vehicle.

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by NoRiceHere01

what the heck is all this?all the guy asked was what he needed to do to remove the speed limiter on his truck. he didnt ask if it was legal or smart. he also didnt ask about catalytic converters. im savin my pennies for a nelson tune and when i get it my speed limiter and cats r both gonna be gone. if that is not in accordance with new jersey or federal emission standards they can buy the truck from me and fix it. for fear of bein banned or gettin the thread locked im not gonna say what i feel about those people tellin me what i can and cannot do to my own vehicle.

No problem No sweat. Go ahead and do what you gota do.

The origional poster asked how to do it.
I informed him there was a way but it was illegal and asked why and if if he still wanted to do it.
{quote from my post back to him}
First things first.
It may be illegal to tamper with it.
It is part of your federal emmisions and any time you operate it on a federal highway you are subject to federal emmisions laws.
Also if you are involved in a accident your insurance company may check your trucks computer system and if it has been tampered with you could be in hot water.
After reviewing that do you still want to know how to do it or think it is a good idea?
Where there is a will there is a way.
But for now can you give us a good reason why you want to remove it?
Is it going to be operated on a federal highway or only drag strip/raceway?


But as you can see he did not post back with any info.
But Another poster also told him how to do it.
And then another poster Faze 3 wanted to know the laws on it or where I found/got them so i posted it back to him.
So as you can see it was all asked for and recieved.
Why make a big deal out of it?
MT

[TaNK_Em]

Hey guys, Lets not get all upset over something like this. People are just trying to give friendly advice no need to take it the wrong way.

- Kevin

[silveradoHO]

If it's illegal to remove the speed limiter, how come all these companies, like Hypertech, Superchips, ect. can sell their product and claim that it is 50 state legal, when it allows you to change the speed limiter. I have a chip on my truck, and it still passed the states emissions test, therefore I believe it's legal.

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by silveradoHO

If it's illegal to remove the speed limiter, how come all these companies, like Hypertech, Superchips, ect. can sell their product and claim that it is 50 state legal, when it allows you to change the speed limiter. I have a chip on my truck, and it still passed the states emissions test, therefore I believe it's legal.

Your state laws and state inspections may not get into it or cover it.
The law on it is covered by the federal and calif. EPA clean air act.
Sections 203 and 205 as I posted in upper post deal with it.
Some times it takes a lawyer to figure them out.
But take the time to Read them and draw you own conclusion on it.
But keep in mind if a vechicle is involved in a major accident your state police and insurance companys and lawyers can go into your cars computer and retrieve information out of it just like on a flight recorder.
The newer the car the more information is stored in the pc.
Like what speed it was going at the time of accident and when you stepped on the brake and all sorts of other info.
Stuff that a lawyer can have a field day out of.
This info is posted as information only.
MT

[jethro_3]

Now I remember why I don't come here as much....

If you read the post there is a key line that should stand out ==> "...under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser ..."

Be careful and do not read into something that it does not mean nor say. You will also find there is a difference between the letter of the law and the intent of the law.

I think this applies to all decisions..... "Choose wisely Grasshopper!"

[silveradoHO]

(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use; or

According to your theory, Hypertech, Superchips and all other programmers are in violation of this law. If this were true, they would be subject to a $25000 fine. I can't believe the EPA would pass on a chance to fine these companies $25000 a piece, not to mention how much they could fine every person that installs one on their vehicle.

[vnotaro]

If a speed limiter was truly installed on vehicles to keep us from speeding, we all would be limited to whatever the fastest speed limit was or maybe a little higher. One of the main reasons that speed limiters are on our vehicles is that the "most" of the tires that come as factory equipment aren't rated for high speed. Obviously there are exceptions. My Camaro SS came with high speed rated tires and is limited for close to 160 mph.

[rustcal]

basically if you alter your vehical in any way you are "suppose" to disclose it to the buyer. Dealers have to disclose info like that if they have the intel, not 100% sure about the general public. changing the speed limiter doesn't alter emissions and the factory settings are usually a combo of performance and fuel economy. but there is a window that the engine can be tuned to stay within emissions regulations. that is where nelson, hypertech etc come into play.

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by vnotaro

If a speed limiter was truly installed on vehicles to keep us from speeding, we all would be limited to whatever the fastest speed limit was or maybe a little higher. One of the main reasons that speed limiters are on our vehicles is that the "most" of the tires that come as factory equipment aren't rated for high speed. Obviously there are exceptions. My Camaro SS came with high speed rated tires and is limited for close to 160 mph.

10-4 on that Vnotaro
You may be on the right tract there.
The speed limiter may be more of a safety device than emissions control.
MT

[silverado122775]

My God, People!! MT-2500 while you do make valid points, they were unneccessary. A simple question deserves a simple answer.
How do you remove the speed limiter? Retune the PCM to have it removed.. see simple.

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by silverado122775

My God, People!! MT-2500 while you do make valid points, they were unneccessary. A simple question deserves a simple answer.
How do you remove the speed limiter? Retune the PCM to have it removed.. see simple.

In my post back to him I told him there was a way and but I asked him why he wanted to do it.
Also I informed him it was an illegal operation and some of the problems he may encounter if he done it.
Also I asked him if he still wanted to do it after that information.
But as you can see he has not posted back with an answer or any more information on it.
As to his question.
That has done be taken care of in the first 2 post back to him.
He has done got the info on how to do it.
It is the after affects from other posters that is taking a while to work out.
But let me ask you this. Or throw in my 2 cents worth on some things to keep in mind..
If a person asks a question on something that may be illegal or that might led to how to kill or injure other people or how to kill or injure himself should be that eager to tell him how to do it?
In my opinion when a poster asks how to remove the speed limiter and if we tell him sure it is ok to do that and jump right to how to do it may be like handing some people a loaded gun and telling them how to kill there self or someone else.
Most speed limiters are set around a 100 MPH.
If removed most cars/trucks can go faster.
And in the wrong hands a speeding car/truck at over a 100 MPH can be a lot more dangerous than a loaded gun.
Or even the with the best of drivers things can go wrong at them speeds.
MT