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[VR43000GT]

^^^(clawhammer) The wings were actually used (unlike ricers) when they raced it agianst chevy and ford. Not to mention it is a RWD which rear spoilers are generally more useful for that type of drive train. Superbirds were and still are one of my favorites.

Edit: Yeah, basically what Red said.

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

Edit: Yeah, basically what Red said.

More or less...

[TheStang00]

that car is a bit of racing history. the only reason they sold it was for nascar use. so yes, we can still make fun of ricers for thier gay ass huge wings.

[CBFryman]

Superbird wings are the gayset thing about the car next to the 30ft chassis.

Im sure many aftermarket wings will provide downforce, its the drag coefficent that makes it really gay besides the fact the car cant even go fast enough for the car to even see any benefit and is generally a FWD vehicle that only dragraces. The Superbird is so heavy though i doubt it would get much of a light rear end...and it certianly cant travle around corners fast enough for it to be of any use sooo....just as worthless. Mopar put it on for looks, back then they where on the verge of designing aerofoils that where of low drag but high lift. Of course the superbird is so long and wide a little more drag fro mthe worlds largest factory wing wont hurt, especially with the coke bottle shape which is the least areodynamic shape to have. So all tha wind tunnel testing didnt do much.

My point is they are so popular because the won so much in NASCAR, have a ton of power, and are really rare. Not because of their performance in arodynamics or an arodunmaic marvles of their time.

[-Josh-]

I shed a tear seeing that, i really did.

[xXxRocker5150]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

My point is they are so popular because the won so much in NASCAR, have a ton of power, and are really rare. Not because of their performance in arodynamics or an arodunmaic marvles of their time.

Isn't that pretty much what NASCAR is all about... speed and aerodynamics... besides, they were ahead of their time, they were one of the if not the only muscle cars to not have the box front grill, and plus the wing (as already stated) served an aerodynamic purpose. When has mopar ever built rice?? (SRT-4 excluded, b/c I know someone's gonna' say something about the big rear wing on a FWD car).

[CBFryman]

the superbird IS rice IMO...the wing did nothing for areodynamics. Today that is what Nascar is all about, because engineers have advanced. Back then it was tons of power on an elongeted chassis tearing around the track. That is what hte muscle car era was all about...muscle. Nothing but raw power.

[Mr Wiggl3s]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

^^^(clawhammer) The wings were actually used (unlike ricers) when they raced it agianst chevy and ford. Not to mention it is a RWD which rear spoilers are generally more useful for that type of drive train. Superbirds were and still are one of my favorites.

Edit: Yeah, basically what Red said.

Technecly they were useless under ~100 MPH

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

the superbird IS rice IMO...the wing did nothing for areodynamics. Today that is what Nascar is all about, because engineers have advanced. Back then it was tons of power on an elongeted chassis tearing around the track. That is what hte muscle car era was all about...muscle. Nothing but raw power.

Once again man, you're wrong.

The Superbird was just a Road Runner with a, wind tunnel tested, aero package and the Charger Daytona was a Charger with the same treatment. That wing supplied enough downforce to keep that planted. The only reason the wing was that large was because you couldn’t open the trunk otherwise they would have made it shorter. Also, if you think that just because they were heavy they had no need for the wing then you know nothing about aerodynamics. That wing allowed the Charger Daytona to be the first American car to break 200 MPH.

That is impressive; I don't care what you say. The Charger Daytona and the Superbird were America’s first supercars.

[VR43000GT]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

the superbird IS rice IMO

[VR43000GT]

Originally Posted by Mr Wiggl3s

Technecly they were useless under ~100 MPH

Your going to have to make a point with that statement because I dont really know what your getting at. The Superbird was designed to race on the Nascar track which it went over 100mph almost the entire time.

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by Polygon

Once again man, you're wrong.

The Superbird was just a Road Runner with a, wind tunnel tested, aero package and the Charger Daytona was a Charger with the same treatment. That wing supplied enough downforce to keep that planted. The only reason the wing was that large was because you couldn’t open the trunk otherwise they would have made it shorter. Also, if you think that just because they were heavy they had no need for the wing then you know nothing about aerodynamics. That wing allowed the Charger Daytona to be the first American car to break 200 MPH.

That is impressive; I don't care what you say. The Charger Daytona and the Superbird were America’s first supercars.

windtunnel test or not, ive seen one in real life up close and examened it, it barely has an arofoil shape, it is hardly angled down...worthless untill yo ureach 200mph. It wasnt the wing that allowed it to reach 200mph...it was a powerplant conservatively rated at what? 400hp to meed emmisions and it was really churning 600hp to the wheels............at half throttle.

a car museaum by the ringling museum had a fully restored one, i was more impressed with the deloran (sp) "i bet he cant hit 80mph!!"

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

The Superbird is so heavy though i doubt it would get much of a light rear end...and it certianly cant travle around corners fast enough for it to be of any use sooo....just as worthless. Mopar put it on for looks, back then they where on the verge of designing aerofoils that where of low drag but high lift. Of course the superbird is so long and wide a little more drag fro mthe worlds largest factory wing wont hurt, especially with the coke bottle shape which is the least areodynamic shape to have. So all tha wind tunnel testing didnt do much.

My point is they are so popular because the won so much in NASCAR, have a ton of power, and are really rare. Not because of their performance in arodynamics or an arodunmaic marvles of their time.

that is so wrong... i just dont know what to think. so i guess 200mph isnt fast enough for the wing to be of any use why do you think they won so much in nascar... aero dynamics certainly played a role in that.

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

windtunnel test or not, ive seen one in real life up close and examened it, it barely has an arofoil shape, it is hardly angled down...

Hmm. So without the aid of a windtunnel or actually having driven the car... you proved race car designers useless with your highly trained eye??

Wow... somebody should hire you.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

windtunnel test or not, ive seen one in real life up close and examened it, it barely has an arofoil shape, it is hardly angled down...worthless untill yo ureach 200mph. It wasnt the wing that allowed it to reach 200mph...it was a powerplant conservatively rated at what? 400hp to meed emmisions and it was really churning 600hp to the wheels............at half throttle.

a car museaum by the ringling museum had a fully restored one, i was more impressed with the deloran (sp) "i bet he cant hit 80mph!!"

so because its not angled down... means that it doesnt cut through air better... right

it may create a bunch of lift at high speed, but it still cuts through air a hell of a lot better than the old square front ends.

and you right, it wasnt the wing that allowed it to reach 200 mph, it was the aero dynamics and engine, mostly that nose. the wing just kept the rear end planted so the car could turn at those speeds. otherwise it would have gone straight into the outside wall.