3 Races In Two Days..

[RJG]

MaXXuS does not own a WRX, and I guaruntee you he never owned an EVO. I will bet money on it. In another thread he said he chirped going into second. My STI will not chirp going into second. It's hard to get it to chirp in first! I call BS.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by Musashi3000GT

After 80 or so mph your car's awd hinders its acceleration.

No, it does not. All that happens is that the bennifit of an AWD launch is removed. Acceleration wise, it wont hurt you at all. If you think it does, you might wanna cruise up to Chitown and talk to the guys at AMS. Or hell, go up to Pensacola, talk to Chris himself. I mean...I seem to remeber his little 601awhp Evo ripping up a good amount of 650ish rwhp Fbodies and Cobras...

Originally Posted by Mushman

2003 350Z with the 287 HP engine:
0-60 : 5.3 sec
standing 1/4 mile: 13.77 @ 100.94 mph

And that is the MOST optimistic time I have ever seen on a 350Z. I mean, I think Igor pulled out a high 13 with his, but he thrashed the shit outa it. Most of them are a low 14 second car with a good driver, the average driver pulls it out around a mid 14. Hell, I raced an Auto one with two other people in my car, and he only had about two, two and a half lengths on me before I cut his pull. When I shut down, he was no more than 2.5 lengths up, no longer pulling, but I wasn't pulling on him.

TEXSRT4-Bikes are not the end all be all to racing. And I think most 600cc bikes, with a good launch, are more in the 12 second range, some cutting out a high to mid 11s. If a 600cc bike is a 10 second bike, then why waste money on a ZX-14 or 'Busa when you can just get a 600cc and exhaust/ecu flash/tune it...? And I have yet to meet any one with an Evo, specially the new IX, that fears an SRT-4.

Anyways, RJG makes a good point, but who knows. If you aint bull shitting us, good kills.

[RJG]

AWD does hurt power to the wheels compared to a RWD car, but at all speeds, not just over 80 MPH. We have roughly twice the drivetrain loss, so less power makes it to the wheels. On the other hand, you cannot compare HP numbers on a turbo car to a NA car, because it's area under the curve that matters, not just peak power. A mustang GT and an STI both have 300 HP at the crank. I'm not sure what a GT dyno's at the wheels (it also depends largely on what dyno you use), but I bet it's around 280, whereas an STI dynos 260 WHP stock. However, the STI will make 260 WHP from 4000-6500 RPM, so it's always at max power. If you shift at 6500, you end up at 4000 RPM in the next gear, still at max HP. In a GT, or any NA car, the torque curve should be almost flat, so you only hit peak HP at redline. When you shift into the next gear, you are now away from the peak power area. That's why an STI can beat a GT, even from a roll, and even with AWD.

[98StangGT]

Originally Posted by RJG

AWD does hurt power to the wheels compared to a RWD car, but at all speeds, not just over 80 MPH. We have roughly twice the drivetrain loss, so less power makes it to the wheels. On the other hand, you cannot compare HP numbers on a turbo car to a NA car, because it's area under the curve that matters, not just peak power. A mustang GT and an STI both have 300 HP at the crank. I'm not sure what a GT dyno's at the wheels (it also depends largely on what dyno you use), but I bet it's around 280, whereas an STI dynos 260 WHP stock. However, the STI will make 260 WHP from 4000-6500 RPM, so it's always at max power. If you shift at 6500, you end up at 4000 RPM in the next gear, still at max HP. In a GT, or any NA car, the torque curve should be almost flat, so you only hit peak HP at redline. When you shift into the next gear, you are now away from the peak power area. That's why an STI can beat a GT, even from a roll, and even with AWD.

Ummmm 260 even sounds like too much for an STi... 260WHP on an STi is only a 13% drivetrain loss, which is about average for a RWD (Most stock 05GT's dyno between 260-270). At a tuning shop a couple hours from where I live I started talkin to the guy that worked there. I started going on and on about my next project and I began talking about either an EVO or an STi. I asked the guy if he gets a lot of EVO's/STi's (he has the only AWD dyno in town) and he told me a guy had been in a few weeks ago and dynoed at about 240 with a few bolt-ons... 240AWHP sounds about right to me since that is a 20% drivetrain loss...

Anyways, I am pretty confident a new GT could beat an STi from a roll. Despite the fact they are as aerodynamic as a brick, they have a very good top end for being a Mustang.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by RJG

We have roughly twice the drivetrain loss, so less power makes it to the wheels.

I'm not talking about drivetrain loss, I could give two shits. Who cares about power at the crank? Thats just a bragging number for dyno queens. I'm saying that an AWD car doesn't suck from a roll, its just seems like it does becuase you don't have the AWD launch advantage. Once it spins out the launch, it accelerates like a RWD/FWD car.

[RJG]

98Stang, you are right, 20% drivetrain loss is about right, so STi should make about 240 WHP. 260-270 sounds about right for a Mustang GT, but again it all depends on area on the curve, and that is where the STi has the advantage. STi against GT would probably come down to the driver and conditions.

By the way, where is that MaXXuS guy to defend himself? Let's see some pictures of you with your car.

[98StangGT]

Originally Posted by RJG

98Stang, you are right, 20% drivetrain loss is about right, so STi should make about 240 WHP. 260-270 sounds about right for a Mustang GT, but again it all depends on area on the curve, and that is where the STi has the advantage. STi against GT would probably come down to the driver and conditions.

By the way, where is that MaXXuS guy to defend himself? Let's see some pictures of you with your car.

It's safe to say from a lower roll the GT would have the advantage because of it's low end torque. Anything above 40 though, I would have to give to the STi.

Anyways, what about this MaXXus guy?

[RJG]

From a 5 MPH roll, the STi is definitely a dog, but from a 20 MPH roll it's a different story. You just have to be at a high enough RPM to overcome the boost lag, so 4000 RPM. That's like 20 MPH in first gear.

I don't believe Maxxus has a WRX.

[98StangGT]

Originally Posted by RJG

From a 5 MPH roll, the STi is definitely a dog, but from a 20 MPH roll it's a different story. You just have to be at a high enough RPM to overcome the boost lag, so 4000 RPM. That's like 20 MPH in first gear.

I don't believe Maxxus has a WRX.

Why not? Because he said he chirped second?

[RJG]

Yeah, it's impossible to chirp second.

[MaXXuS]

Okay dude think what you like, but I have pictures and memories that could prove you wrong anytime.

[MaXXuS]

Originally Posted by RJG

98Stang, you are right, 20% drivetrain loss is about right, so STi should make about 240 WHP. 260-270 sounds about right for a Mustang GT, but again it all depends on area on the curve, and that is where the STi has the advantage. STi against GT would probably come down to the driver and conditions.

By the way, where is that MaXXuS guy to defend himself? Let's see some pictures of you with your car.

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Heres the evo, this is what happens when your not careful..I took a turn out lane at night on the freeway and it dropped off into dirt while I was going about 80. No one else was involved but me. I had an autometer boost gauge, 2.5" catback exhuast K&N Filter in stock box, and an Apline CD Player with 4 sony speakers. I had painted the handles and mirrors (cuz it was an RS). That was a sweet car before I crashed it. Had only had it for 3 months when I crashed it. I'll take pictures of my WRX when I wash it again.

[MaXXuS]

Ahem...Im right here, where did you go?

[VR43000GT]

Originally posted by Cassie'sman: "TEXSRT4-Bikes are not the end all be all to racing. And I think most 600cc bikes, with a good launch, are more in the 12 second range, some cutting out a high to mid 11s. If a 600cc bike is a 10 second bike, then why waste money on a ZX-14 or 'Busa when you can just get a 600cc and exhaust/ecu flash/tune it...? And I have yet to meet any one with an Evo, specially the new IX, that fears an SRT-4."


A lot of those 600 sport bikes can pull into 10's easy with someone who can perform a good launch.

[Chiquae07]

they went and pissed in their panties...btw when u crashed, did u roll or sometihn?