Engine Swap Stress Relief

[Drewet88]

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

Matter of fact about the rebel flag, we had a discusion bout that not to long ago.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=536193

According to that post i'm ignorent...
I guess I have to agree on some points...
But I guess its because I grew up in Cali I have not seen it as a Southern Lifestyle and pride.

Originally Posted by MagicRat

Well, white southern pride, anyways.

I do not think anyone who considers themselves to be 'black' take pride in that flag.

I agree with that quote I dont take pride in that flag but I got pride for the American flag.

Originally Posted by tenguzero

Clearly it means whatever the bearer wants it to. Much like most other "pop culture" symbols, the interpretation is up to the individual -- any actual significance it might have had to the culture at large died out a long time ago, although there are still significant differences between the north and the south to this day.

I agree with this quote also it means whatever the bearer wants it to mean.

Originally Posted by vwracer14

also people in the north are just pissed off that their flag doesnt look as bad ass as ours

Originally Posted by deadbolt_35

um...i assume you mean the american flag?

referring to the american flag as 'their flag' shows that you don't claim it yourself and that just supports what others have said about the confederate flag representing rebellion and secession from the United States.
still having the confederate flag fly just continues to harbor feelings of division between the north and south...there is no 'north' and 'south' anymore! the civil war is over! why can't people in the south realize this...we are all part of the United States of America and the Confederat flag goes against everything that stands for.

And I really agree with deadbolt_35

To me the flag goes against that America stands for. So I guess everyone has their own opinion on what the flag stands and maybe it can stand for many different things.

I dont think racist everytime I see the flag...it depends on who I see with the flag. I never realized my neighbor had that flag up until my friend pointed it out. But I do know this band at my school that uses that flag as their symbol and I didn't think about it twice. But since my friend pointed it out and I was like well he's already racist so he must have the flag to represent racism or maybe he just is from the south and wants to represent it.

I dont know and I'm not going to ask him.

[freakray]

Threads like this remind of how little Americans know of their own history, especially what the Civil War was about and how little slavery or for that matter, race, had to do with the war.

How many of you actually know that the flag this thread has turned into being about wasn't in fact the real flag of the Rebel Army, it in fact the flag of the Army of Tennessee and the Confederate Navy. The battle flag of the Confederate army was a perfect square.

[driftinggrifter2]

Originally Posted by freakray

Threads like this remind of how little Americans know of their own history, especially what the Civil War was about and how little slavery or for that matter, race, had to do with the war.

How many of you actually know that the flag this thread has turned into being about wasn't in fact the real flag of the Rebel Army, it in fact the flag of the Army of Tennessee and the Confederate Navy. The battle flag of the Confederate army was a perfect square.

Yea the slavery issue was just a side effect more or less. It helped give the north more troops to fight with perfect motivation. You'll be a free man if you fight for us- more or less what happened.
Just like how many people know that Robert E. Lee was from Va. and thats the only reason that he fought for the south. And if I remember right the original capitol of the confeds. was in Va. until we backed out of the war.(might be mistaken Its been along while since I found anyone to talk bout this with.

[quteasabutton]

first you claim you never paid attention in school so, "oh well". then you try and say ur school doesn't teach anything. maybe you didn't get anything out of it cuz you never paid attention.

and like everyone else said, there is a BIG difference and no correlation between communism and confederism. Communists=eastern europe/asia Confederism=southern US. they're not even close geographically.
communists aren't racists. they're all about equality for everyone, no one better than anyone else. no offense, but you sound really stupid making a mistake that big.
Confederism is what happened when the southern US tried to form their own nation separate from the North US based on the fact that they wanted to keep slavery. Supporting confederism supports the notion that whites, especially southern whites, are superior to black people. the sign that says german parking only is just a heritage pride thing. i'm full german and i have neither of a confederate flag or german heritage pride things so you can't blame it on that. tho i agree, hanging the confederate flag next to an american flag is just wrong. and also contradictory.

crappy luck with the engine swap tho, and people stealing ur stuff. did you report it stolen or have any way of identifying it? are there ID numbers on it?

[BleedDodge]

It's probably too bad they don't just steal the car, then you wouldn't have to bother with anything.

[quteasabutton]

Originally Posted by BleedDodge

It's probably too bad they don't just steal the car, then you wouldn't have to bother with anything.

[freakray]

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

Yea the slavery issue was just a side effect more or less. It helped give the north more troops to fight with perfect motivation. You'll be a free man if you fight for us- more or less what happened.
Just like how many people know that Robert E. Lee was from Va. and thats the only reason that he fought for the south. And if I remember right the original capitol of the confeds. was in Va. until we backed out of the war.(might be mistaken Its been along while since I found anyone to talk bout this with.

Wrong again. The original Confederate capital was in Alabama, when VA joined the Confederacy, the capital was moved to Virginia.

Quteasabutton, slavery has been blamed for the civil war, but there are much larger issues including the right of states to decide their own future, economic issues and fear of modernisation which was occuring in the North.
Did you realise a key trigger to secession was Lincoln's swearing in as president and at first only one state seceded?

[quteasabutton]

Originally Posted by freakray

Wrong again. The original Confederate capital was in Alabama, when VA joined the Confederacy, the capital was moved to Virginia.

Quteasabutton, slavery has been blamed for the civil war, but there are much larger issues including the right of states to decide their own future, economic issues and fear of modernisation which was occuring in the North.
Did you realise a key trigger to secession was Lincoln's swearing in as president and at first only one state seceded?

i knew that there was more to it than just slavery for the civil war. i didn't know that many details because just like drewet, i'm guilty of finding staring at the wall often more interesting than my history teacher. i just mentioned things that were mostly relevent to his comments. but you include more good points

[driftinggrifter2]

Now like I said after I moved from Va. to Ms. theres no one that had the intellect to talk about this with so I'm abit rusty.

[Drewet88]

Originally Posted by quteasabutten

first you claim you never paid attention in school so, "oh well". then you try and say ur school doesn't teach anything. maybe you didn't get anything out of it cuz you never paid attention.

crappy luck with the engine swap tho, and people stealing ur stuff. did you report it stolen or have any way of identifying it? are there ID numbers on it?

I didnt pay attention my Jr. year all the other years I paid attention and got pretty good grades I never failed a class except for my Jr. year and that class just happened to be history....All of my other years of getting A's and B's and still not knowing shit because my school (like I said before) doesn't teach shit. The students show up more than the teachers most of the time.

But I didnt come here to talk about racism and all that other stuff.
I came to just talk about my crappy luck with an engine swap and about my stuff getting stolen. I didn't think anyone would just pick it apart and use their spare time in telling me the difference in flags and the civil war.

I was just stating what a friend pointed out and what he told me it meant. Like I said in an earlier post I didn't know or care what the flag meant until he told me it stood for racism. I haven't even talked to that him since he helped me with the engine because he went to Japan for spring break.

So is it just me or is this getting taken out of context...

[freakray]

Originally Posted by Drewet88

But I didnt come here to talk about racism and all that other stuff.
I came to just talk about my crappy luck with an engine swap and about my stuff getting stolen. I didn't think anyone would just pick it apart and use their spare time in telling me the difference in flags and the civil war.

You're complaining because somebody took the time to try to help you not sound like an ignorant fool?
You may not care, but I personally hate to hear people making ignorant remarks about racism, people seem to forget it takes a fair degree of prejudice to call somebody a racist.

Originally Posted by Drewet88

So is it just me or is this getting taken out of context...

You started the 'out of context' thing when you displayed your ignorance of your nation's history and what a flag stood for.

[85crxzc]

bad luck man me too ... in the last couple of weeks ive been fighting with a piece of crap wreckin yard that sold me a junk motor with no compression so i took it back and got another ... same ordeal no compression ... and about the uhaul part ... i used my neon to get my motor ... took the intake and exhaust mannysto get it in my back seat lol... and now the auto wrecker wont return my phone calls ..... with all the bad luck ive had makes me not wanna get my car running lol

well good luck bro

[Drewet88]

Originally Posted by freakray

You're complaining because somebody took the time to try to help you not sound like an ignorant fool?
You may not care, but I personally hate to hear people making ignorant remarks about racism, people seem to forget it takes a fair degree of prejudice to call somebody a racist.

I'm not complaining and I never assumed he was a racist he TOLD me he is racist. And on some small note I thank everyone for helping me with understanding the flag. But I think I'll go have to ignoring the flag instead of caring what it stood for.

You started the 'out of context' thing when you displayed your ignorance of your nation's history and what a flag stood for.

Well if you put it that way I did start the out of context thing but when I origianlly said 'out of context' I meant it changed from O crap I got my shit stolen I feel like a dumbass for leaving it in my backyard where I thought it was safe to....O shit I am a dumbass for not knowing the meaning of a flag that I truly dont care about. LIke previously stated everyone has their own opinion on what they think the flag stands for as shown to me in this post http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=536193 like I said according to this post I'm ignorant, well ignorance is bliss. I liked it better before everyone pointed out my ignorance. I dont know anyone that doesnt make a mistake from time to time. My mistake of the day was mixing up the meaning of a flag.
And for all I know the flag may have some sentimental(SP?) value for him. I dont know. All I can say is that he takes care of it because it started raining earlier and he went outside to take it down and as soon as it stopped he put it back up.

Well bash on this is kinda fun.
Its takin my mind off of other shit.

[Drewet88]

Originally Posted by 85crxzc

bad luck man me too ... in the last couple of weeks ive been fighting with a piece of crap wreckin yard that sold me a junk motor with no compression so i took it back and got another ... same ordeal no compression ... and about the uhaul part ... i used my neon to get my motor ... took the intake and exhaust mannysto get it in my back seat lol... and now the auto wrecker wont return my phone calls ..... with all the bad luck ive had makes me not wanna get my car running lol

well good luck bro

Good luck to you too.

Just some advice dont leave your car on the street while its not running. I wash my car at least twice a week and I just had to run out there to tell the cop its not abandoned. He said he got a call telling him there is a abandoned car on the street. Now I have three days to talk my grandma and grandpa into moving one of their cars onto the street so I can park mine in the driveway or PUSH it to another block.

O and someone stole my car battery. It was an Optima Red Top less than 2 months old. I left that in the back yard too. Guess I'll never learn my lesson...

[quteasabutton]

for freakray cuz ur exactly right. if ur cherrypicker meant that much to you, don't take chances leaving it out in the open for someone to take if they're determined enough. and more ignorance is not something this country needs. stop making excuses, own up to the fact that you were wrong, and move on with it. it's not like this is some petty little argument like "are his eyes brown or hazel?" this is racism. it's a big deal.