MY civic vs. civic 5th gen. HB VTEC(160HP)

[Setanta]

A stock 5G Civic SiR (in JDM trim) is approximately 70 kilos heavier than a 4G SiR and carries 170bhp. No way in your wettest dreams could you smoke one. Sorry, there is no way in the world that a ECU change can give you 30-40 bhp. A 5G with B16A still has 30bhp over you and not much wight difference.

Now I don't care how hard your ZC mill will pull, it may go to 8600 (pretty impressive seeing as the JDM 3G Si Civic raced here with 200bhp NA on tap sheered it's drivetrain countless times over 8300), but the ECU will not change the peak power and torque curves that dramatically.

I'm sorry, no way can you make enough BHP to beat a car that starts off with 30 over you from ECU alone. My guess is driver technique made a difference (take that as a compliment).

BTW - a mildly modded EG doing 6.4? C'mon - not even a VTiR 'teg will do that and an ITR will just do it in real life, not mag racer heaven

Originally posted by emil13si



If that what you said is true, that your car is fast as 5th gen. civic VTEC then you better sell it cause then it's something terrible wrong with your engine...In here we have those cars with just 150HP and they can easely beat 5th gen VTEC HB....One guy when I was in Austria at Honda tuning show has the same civic 150HP hatcback and it was a little tunned and he's score from 0-60mph was 6.4s...

I hope that you don't think that I'm layer cause I said that I smoked VTEC 5th gen. cause I did...I tell you guys this my new ECU is making my car go crazy 8600 limit on rpm is prety nasty for my car that has original 7300 rpm...and the fuel is going a lot faster down when I step it to the max

I hope that tomorow I'll get my car back with the dual back exaust then I'll gona try race the friends Integra typeR we'll see how bad he'll smoke me :silly2:

[Setanta]

LOL Ami

You never liked the B16A anyway as I remember

But I can understand you liking Bracer's 1.6i - it just proves the point that Yanks have no taste :finger:

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi


you both!

actually guys, i'm sorry to say...i no longer have a love for your cars.

~>it is BRACER'S 1.6i<~ i bow down to now!

don't come down on me :stormzap: i am well aware it is -10 hp to the SiR :toothless

ami

[amy@af]

Originally posted by emil13si
I didn't quite understend that last post from LadyNRedSi what was that all about

that was for setanta & moppie...just adding to 2 years of debate...LOL

setanta...for some reason you think i HATE the b16. i don't. if you lived over here you would understand.

hmmm, how can i put this. you roll up to a track (in the US) and you see a 4th gen not smoking everyone but still causing enough damage to notice. without a doubt in my mind...i would 98% expect to see a b16 under the hood. everybody has it.

i like to be different. i'd rather be that 2% that is unexpected. i pop my hood and i don't want people to go "oh, well she has a b16...that's why" i want people to say "that's a SOHC! wtf? what do you have going on under there?"...ya know?

i am happy to say i have noticed an increase in the price of a b16 swap. this leads me to people the trend after allllll these years is starting to die off thanks to the new trend of bigger b series.

again...i don't HATE the b16...i'm just not as impressed with it as others.

:angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

[QuickSilverEF9]

YES ALL BOW DOWN TO BRACERS 1.6 VT!!!! Sorry Moppie but his car is just too sweet!!! I still have much love for your SiR tho .

[emil13si]

Setanta :

Something to tell you about my friend that has VTEC don't worry about him and his shift metods a can garanty that he doit wright and properly do you think that we here in Slovenia couple of my friends by hondas cause we don't know how to shift, you know what kind of cars can we get here in a change of honda BMW M3 the older model 280HP then a lot of VR6 Wolksvagen 180HP and a lot's of opels, peugeots,audis,fitas and all cars that are in that range...and we smoke all that shit so don't tell me that we're buying hondas for nothing I would like to have you wright beside me that I can see you're shifting method....

And about that civic 4th gen that has 6.4s from 0-60mph that is all true and don't make me a lier cause that pisses me off I wouldn't said nothing like that, if that wouldn't be true why would I lie to you I'm not one of those guys that is just braging... that civic 4th g. has in some stufff from spoon sports, vtec conroler, and some other nasty stuff but with out turbo and NOS...totaly clean all work has been done on the engin e and exaust...

Here are the pics of it:




Sorry cause I put so big pic, but there on a list are it's technical information and there it all says...

And don't worry in here anyone that is alittle interested in race knows how to shift :silly2:

[Setanta]

Umm... that 6 second 4G... I look at that picture and one thing screams out to me... that isn't a 160bhp B16A

My guess? It's a tweaked ITR B18C5! 200bhp stock so yeah that'd pull mid 6s.

But... that's not a B16A powered car, so comparing it to the 5G in your original post....

[emil13si]

I still think that that is a b16a engine stock from civic VTEC...
Here is the pics of engine from TypeR integra:



I'll do some more resurge on this car cause there wasn't enywhere writen that it has typeR motor in it...

[emil13si]

Another pics of that civic:






I'll send an e-mail to those guys that I'm for sure what engine is in it, cause at first I was thinking too that it's a typeR engine but I don't know how did I get to the resault that it's not probobly it was writen on that list, and personaly I think that it's a little small for 1.8 engine isn't it, I think that then you couldn't put the battery so easy in...

We'll see :silly2:

[QuickSilverEF9]

Man that car is ugly!!!!!

[sastanley]

Those two motors look the same to me..I think it is a b18c5 too..and I am NOooo F-ing expert.

[Setanta]

Simplest solution - look at the rocker cover. It's red. That makes it one engine - the B18C5 from an ITR. Possibly the CTR in Japan had it as well, but again it's a different engine in output to the standard B16A. The colour is factory as near as I can tell - no B16A in the 4 or 5 gens came in red. Also, the Intake manifold is ITR - not B16A from a 5Gen as far as I can tell (it is only a picture). Most telling is the writing on the rocker cover - earlier B16As from the XSi Integra, 4G SiR and VTs as well as the 5G B16A powered Civics looks like this:



The text moulded onto the rocker cover changed with the B18s and the ITR in particular (I know this - my brother owned an ITR).

So an easy assumption is that it's a B18, not a B16.

BTW - do tell about the 280bhp cars that you smoke in your 130bhp (plus instant 30bhp aftermarket ECU). Must have been an auto or maybe they wern't trying

But still, I'd like to see this wonder-ECU, 'cause nowhere have I ever seen a case of instant horsepower from one without other major mods Especially in a Honda as their ECUs are spot on for power and efficiency. I'd also like to see how it changed your power/torque curve to make more power at 8600 Hell, my B16A makes peak power at 7400, I rev it to 8200 so that on a gear change it drops back dead onto the 2nd cam profile (VTEC) at 5400. If I revved to 8600 as you are, I'd still be making the same amount of power at 7400. Without cams, I/H/E etc, there is no way that you can make significant power increase as the ECU is doing little different from what the stock one did. Usually an ECU change is only required after going to different profile cams etc.

[sastanley]

Setanta - What is that little breather thingie just in front of the radiator to the right (I would say passenger side, but that would be backwards since on the JDM SiR it is the DRIVER'S side)
Anyway - what is that thing? thanks!

[Setanta]

After working out wheter you meant the RHS of the car or the RHS of the pic... I realised you meant the air intake

Prolly why I get very little difference swapping in a CAI, the airbox has an intake that runs to under the bonnet - the SiR Civic has a gap between bonnet and filler panel to draw air in. SiR CRXs have a different setup I think as they don't have the gap. Basically it's the air feed anyway

[emil13si]

Is that alll you can say that it's by the color you claim that is TypeR engine do you know(silly question) that you can get the same color as the typeR valve cover has and paint it, and that you can buy b16a valve cover that is allready painted in typeR red color :frog: ...

And something more I didn't say that I can beat 280HP BMW I said that we could buy it the older models of M3 but we rather have hondas cause it costs us less(gasoline-is not so cheap as in your place 3 times higher and then it's registration every year and it's twice the price for M3 then for honda cause honda has 1.6 l and M3 has 3.0l a little less so that's why youmust pay registration a lot more a lot) but I said that all cars that has as much HP as we in my case 130HP in my friends 160HP and you can add 20-30HP to other cars and we can beat them with honda...So imagine that ,that I did beat the BMW 318 1.8 IS (140HP) easely and clio 1.8 16V (138HP) that I don't even talk how muc I smoke him with out my new ECU...

What can I say yes my ecu is incredible it's fantastic- I didn't say that, but I tell you the real facts that the guy that previus owned it taked the ECU in England and there some Honda tunners preprogramed the chip and the guy said that it's not only Eprom changed but all the chips (about that I don't know, I personaly think that it's just Eprom preprogramed)...I wish that you were in my country and that I could prove it to you as I did to my friends that in first didn't belive me but when we test it they were amaized-shocked...Again it has 8600rpm limit and 200rpm higher rpm when you have in no gear, it needs more gas than before itc...

It has limit on 8600 and it's puling till 8600 strongly in first, second and third gear then in forth I can reach max. speed 210km/h then in fifth it goes over 220 km/h...I know the way how to prove you and then you'll owe me apologies...I'll tape on videocamera and make a DVX and put it on...Will that be enough good proofe for you...


And abou that engine I still think it's b16a, look at the ignition cap it's a little bigger on b16 than b18 and then you look at that thing near kolector on the right side it's also totally different, and for your information I did wrote an e-mail to that guy TSS-tuning and I'll get the answer soon so we'll see how is right

That is my engine bay (is my engine too typeR cause I painted it red :frog: JOKE )

[Setanta]

No, your engine is a ZC, you can tell that by the rocker cover design. Look carefully at the castings on the ITR and SiR covers and you'll see the difference between B16As and B18s. Look at the runners as well, look at the intake manifold etc and you will see it isn't B16A, it's B18 (or running a B18 intake - which hardly makes it "slightly modified").

As for your claim about outrunning big HP cars, I'll quote you:

you know what kind of cars can we get here in a change of honda BMW M3 the older model 280HP then a lot of VR6 Wolksvagen 180HP and a lot's of opels, peugeots,audis,fitas and all cars that are in that range...and we smoke all that shit

Personally, I think you've been smoking too much shit

BTW - what gear ratios are you running to do 210 in 4th gear? Over here our VTiR and ITR Integras can't do that, let alone our VTiR Civics and Si CRXs. I still don't understand how making more revs without changing cams etc gives you more power, feel free to explain this to me

BTW - DiVX all you want, but how do I know it isn't an edit? You could be in 5th for all I know.

Example of why I question this. We had a 3G Si (ZC powered as a hill-climb car). It was built to 210bhp, that required quad-throttle bodies, mugen cams and headers, full balance and blueprint, titanium retainers (stock ones die quickly at over 8000rpm in a ZC), LSD etc, etc. Also ran a mugen ECU to match the cams etc. Now that car would only do 170 in 4th on a stock gearbox ratio - a bit more or a bit less based on the final ratio he ran.

My SiR will run to 180 in 4th with a tiny bit to spare at 8000rpm. That's stock.