b20 vs. b16

[Moppie]

Originally posted by liquid8
what would the big b20 do to your handling? i heard that the h22 messes up your handling and jumping from 1.6 to 2.0 is a big jump

Well an H22 is a physicaly bigger than the B16/B20 which both share a common block design. Meaning they will both weigh a very similar amount.
So theres no issues with weight etc.

The guy there said he ran a 14.4 in a straight b20z with some mods. Check it out.

And whan was the last time you believed every 1/4 mile time posted in a forum?

[1993HondaCivic]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer

torque wins races

THIS IS TRUE.

believe me, theres no comparison between the b16 and b20. i have a hatch and had a b16 put it. i thought it was fast, after a while i realized it had NO TORQUE. i just finished today the crvtec conversion. WOW
night and day. what a difference. i love torque. done even mess with the b16. unless u go turbo

[h82lose]

Well I don't believe that time unless maybe its in a crx hf. If crx's with a b16 with i/h/e can do most of the time 14.3 and up then person with a b20z with some work could be able to pull that. It seems that once you get rid of that intake manifold and replace it with a skunk2 or type R it frees up the power.

[liquid8]

i'm not really a frankenstein engine lover. it's great and all but it sounds a little risky to me. i think the b16 is one bad ass motor. and the aftermarket support is phenomenal. i love the civic type r and it has a 1.6 so that has to mean something.

[h82lose]

Well I think everybody is just happy there is another engine to swap into their civics. Everybody's been doing the b16a swap since the 4 th gen civic then they did the b18c and then the unheard of h22a swap. So when a new swap like a b20 comes along and then we can improve on it its really interesting. The way I see the crvtec and lsvtec are great engines but they still have to be worked out. If they were such great engines why aren't the pros using them? For people who have time and money these engines are awesome. For people like me and other daily drivers we want some torque so a b18c or b20 or b20 turbo seem like great ideas. Thats what I like

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by 1993HondaCivic



i just finished today the crvtec conversion.

Ok they are not talkin about the ls v-tec or crv v-tec here. I know that a crv v-tec will beat stock b16 for sure. Now from what i understand about domestics is that they needed the torque to push there heavy chassis! SO torque is needed for launching. Too much torque with honda is definatley not needed cause they have lighter chassis. If you guys want torque then go with supras , vr-4 etc... I'm really happy with my b16 and i'm proud of what it can do and what is capable of doin. Oh my friend has a 92 hatch and he got ls v-tec which blew up! He decided to go with the good 'ol b16 but don't get me wrong that ls v-tec pulled hard as hell. Too bad it had to go on him.

[SCStreetRacer]

a B20Z w/ I/H/E....plus a better flowing intake man would prolly be faster. plus if you really want to dominate you can later add a VTEC head.

I plan on building a B20Z with the stock head....port and polish, high comp pistons......B16 intake man., cams and drivetrain. Actualy my plan is to buy a complete B16 head and transfer all the stuff to the B20....then port and polish the head and get a valve job....then later put the B16 head on there....but i'm curious to see what a B20 non VTEC could do.

my domestic instincts are telling me to go with the biggest engine possible.....my good judgement tells me not to go H22.......so i'm going B20..

good luck

[Melt]

Ok, personally I am not a big fan of the h22 swap in a civic. If youre going to do it, get an accord cause the engines are similar sizes and it wont be as much of a bitch to put in. Secondly, what car is the B20 out of cause ive never heard of it, and finally the B16A is a sweet engine, but if I was going to do another swap I would either go D16Y8 or B18C, no sense in getting the ZC since these days they seem to be crappy.

Note: The B18C will probably NEVER happen, but another engine swap probably wont happen either, I drive shit till it blows up and then I will probably just get a new car, possibly a 96+ HX

[SCStreetRacer]

Originally posted by Melt
Secondly, what car is the B20 out of cause ive never heard of it,

Where have u been????????

B20 is out of a CRV......and some stationwagon looking car in JP. go to www.crvtec.com

[h82lose]

Hey guys all I just sourced all the parts for a b20 swap and I though maybe you all would like to see it. Now all these parts are coming from a bussiness so they may seem high to you but I guess that is what you get for security. Okay now b20b: 799, Gsr tranny:1000 (or ls tranny: 600), ls ecu: 150, integra axles:250, integra shift linkage:150, 99-00 rear si mount and integra fuel rail: 200. For a total of 2549 if you do a gsr tranny and 2149 for the ls tranny equipped. Now add in shipping which should come to 250 for the engine and tranny and we have 2799 for a b20 swap. Now I already determined I was going to get a b18c swap because its between 2900-3300 to get one and then shipping is 300 so its about 3200-3600 to get that done Plus as we all know a full b16a swap is about 2350 and then 300 for shipping bringing it to 2650. So final line is b18c: 3200-3600 / b20b: 2400-2800 / b16a: 2650. Just a little info.

P.S. It was a bitch trying to source all the parts for the b20b:

[b16a3sol]

i want to know what ever happened to the new honda motor that was supposed to put out 160 hp and 162 torque. i read about it in autoweek last november or october i think. i thought it was going to be in the new crv, but i guess not because of the numbers you guys are giving. i thought it was interesting because the torque was actually higher than the hp, autoweek also made a big deal out of it. i would have thought that motor would bet the choice of people for swapping, but i guess its either not out yet, or i made the whole thing up. maybe someone hear head about it also.

[GSteg]

Originally posted by b16a3sol
i want to know what ever happened to the new honda motor that was supposed to put out 160 hp and 162 torque. i read about it in autoweek last november or october i think. i thought it was going to be in the new crv, but i guess not because of the numbers you guys are giving. i thought it was interesting because the torque was actually higher than the hp, autoweek also made a big deal out of it. i would have thought that motor would bet the choice of people for swapping, but i guess its either not out yet, or i made the whole thing up. maybe someone hear head about it also.

the B20B engine they were talking about is in the 96-98 CRV, where as the B20Z was in the 99-01. the new CRV i believe has the K20A engine straight from the new SI/RSX base.

[h82lose]

That is the new crv engine its part of the k series and so like every other series their not worth putting into 92-00 civics because they are very different=very expensive

[GSteg]

h yea..and i'll take the B20Z please..

[h82lose]

Okay so I guess I was right on the money with the prices for a b20 swap, huh. Thats kinda depressing