Sick of it all

[gionc]

I can't say I agree with you, Chad, only for a simple reason: this is one of the most freedom and self-disciplined place I know, so everyone here should have his chance to express himself and his tendency.

But I fully agree with you concerning the problem: there's a way we could have here (unfollowed just now) to make this place simply better: post our ideas without hypocrisy, often we have here "good" "fine" "great" comments on crap jobs, sometimes I don't post comments or just a positive comment only to not offend the thread starter: If we all here want to improove our skills we need engage our way to reply.

If someone post crap may be better for all gently reply "your job is just crap but could be better if..." yes is more difficult and tedious than reply to a masterpiece, but next time he (or me or you) could share something better.

I wont say that this place is full of crap as someone said before leave , this's the better modelling place I daily visit, for the masters who post here, for the friendly attitude, also for it's freedom.

Hoping to be clear with my crappy english

[gionc]

Originally Posted by ZoomZoomMX-5

Priceless. Make sure those pics you don't post on the thread you won't start are made w/o the use of macro; a camera phone or webcam is even better. People really don't want to see the model in focus, they want to see the stove eyes or computer monitor and beverage cans behind the model in perfect focus while keeping the model subject fuzzy

You made me a gift today, Zoom: I would like to use it from ages

[Hiroboy]

Well this lightened up my boring lunchtime.

I can see where Chad is coming from and have to agree somewhat, but I'm a bit more easy going or as sjelic put it, I just skip those threads.

Keep the thread open as the Forum need a thread like this once in a while.

[klutz_100]

Originally Posted by bvia

Well if THAT'S how you feel, I WON'T be posting my latest project which is converting a 1994 Mustang into a 1995 Mustang. I have several pictures (all sized at 8 mps) of the body (it's a metal diecast) and a few with the mods (using red body putty that are also 8 mps). I WAS going to post them along with a poll regarding color ( I have several LARGE PS images to show the different color possibilities) and post another poll regarding which wheels I should use (I'm thinking of going with some 1:18th scale Jada rims or maybe some RC 1:10th...I have some pencil sketches I scanned at 4 mps resolution), but now I am SERIUOSLY rethinking about posting any of those images here.

Bill

As I am in a VERY loquacious and eloquent mood today, here come my

Yes, there ARE some very immature posts/threads of dubious contribution to the overall scheme of things (I fear I have been guilty once or twice ), none the less they all play a part and it is possible to ignore them.

Sharing work, regardless of subject matter or skill level, is the essence of a forum. Some may post their work to showcase it (in a positive sense) but the true value of posting your work if your are an experienced modeler is that you share your knowledge with less skilled builders and help them improve whereas if you are a beginner you should be hoping to receive some constructive criticism which will you to improve next time. I fully agree with the "less "awsome" and more "have you tried"..." sentiement expressed above - there are far too few members who feel confident(?) enough to do this.

A whole different issue IMO is the "netiquette" of posting. Everyone makes spelling mistakes, gramatical mistakes and even thows in the odd misnomer and malapropism once in a while. But I think there should be a minimum level effort required by AF of its members regarding the style and format of posts.

Sometimes it is nearly impossible for me to understand what the author of a post meant. It has nothing to do with foreign languages - in fact I would hazard a guess that some of the worst offenders are native speakers of English - and has everything to do with capital letters, punctuation and coherent sentences. If authors' models were constructed with the same care as some of their sentences, the paint would slide off before they had a chance to put their airbrush down!!

Here I think the moderators can play a VERY important and active roll (as on another well known forum). Bad posting should be acted upon, fair warning given and if repeatedly ignored more serious sanctions can be imposed.

That's my rant but I think it was fairly said

[sportracer02]

Hi

like freakmech I think some guys should think over their kind of postings/critcs/rating.

Like sjelic suggests I tried in the the last weeks to skip over those in my eyes unnecessary postings and even gave hints, but as godfather23 mentioned:

“….I also recognize that sometimes it is hard to say more than f.ex. "awesome work", when we see very good modeling on the board. But I was wondering myself in the last couple of weeks, whether all those comments saying f.ex. "awesome work" are really up to what they mean word-wise when you compare the projects they´re regarding to truely great modeling….”


This is to me the MAINPOINT: When I look at fantastic models from f.e. Veyron, Aress, robex, Roca46 …. just to name a few ( and there are lots of guys like them in this forum) and there are comments like "awesome work" --- this is absolutely true.

If, however, modelers built a model in a few days, dull, nearly no details, etc and get an "awesome work", maybe even a 5-point-rating….

-----------Hey guys, same standard as the above mentioned modelers?

No, I don´t forget, not everybody (and yes, I include myself) can be or will ever be a top model builder. When I see guys starting building models that are not so well finished and they get REALISTIC critics and learn from these critics – that is what a forum is made for and we all should help them.

If those guys ignore these critics (that are of course not positive everytime), go on building their way and “earn” "awesome work" ---- here I agree with godfather23 again:

“this subject … might help the forum to get better handling this issue…”.

(@ bvia: with your (f.e. CF covered) models in my eyes you belong to those topmod-elers in this forum. No idea what´s making you thinking about not posting your Mustang ?!?!?!?! ;-)) )

[Vric]

This is rude.. but it's about what everyone think in secret.

This happen usually in the summer with the school finishing, but this year, we had a batch in Christmas too.

Originally Posted by Hiroboy

Keep the thread open as the Forum need a thread like this once in a while.

Agree. I made similar post every year for the last 3 years, nothing have changed but it help personal frustration

[cyberkid]

Originally Posted by bvia

Well if THAT'S how you feel, I WON'T be posting my latest project which is converting a 1994 Mustang into a 1995 Mustang. I have several pictures (all sized at 8 mps) of the body (it's a metal diecast) and a few with the mods (using red body putty that are also 8 mps). I WAS going to post them along with a poll regarding color ( I have several LARGE PS images to show the different color possibilities) and post another poll regarding which wheels I should use (I'm thinking of going with some 1:18th scale Jada rims or maybe some RC 1:10th...I have some pencil sketches I scanned at 4 mps resolution), but now I am SERIUOSLY rethinking about posting any of those images here.

Bill

hrm... 8mps... If memory serves me correct that res can get you a nice poster 24in X 24 in.. WITHOUT seeing any dots with the naked eye.

All in all... 1mps or LOWER will surfice for web/computer-viewing.
A tip in digi photography: computer use: 3mps or lower. (unless you have an 80in computer screen.) Anything more= waste of space.

[ZoomZoomMX-5]

Seriously, I can see all sides of this issue. I find myself sometimes here, usually at the spate of noobs around a holiday or school letting out. But it really doesn't bother me if they don't scare off the good ones

Younger modelers need an outlet for their work, this is a good place for it. They get encouragement, and many times from each other. Maybe it seems pointless to others, but to them its important. The ones that make an attempt and behave themselves and communicate clearly get noticed by the more experienced builders. Everyone has to start somewhere. This may be the only place they have to show off their hobby to people that care.

Annoying posts? It's easy to block particular users. It's easy to ignore posts that don't interest you.

All-in-all, this place is a good cross-section of the hobby worldwide, from noobs to pros. There's room for everyone, as long as everyone makes a point to abide by the simple rules of the forum, and attempt to communicate clearly.

[Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by freakmech

I officially apologize to those who i named but i still think this needs to be debated. I claimed i was a mature adult yet i told them there models sucked. this attitude would not have encouraged me to be a prt of this forum if i was new to it. I was trying to teach them some etiquette. my condollences. But it does suck when i meet a good modeller and mention this site and they roll there eyes. it makes me feel like a chump.

Chad Repaal

I personally think the initial content and this follow up justification to be extremely immature and pretentious.

What's more, I can't believe your cussing and flaming of individuals is allowed on the boards and that the moderators have not deleted your useless post.
I am going to report this to Phil!

We were all noobs and 14 once (that is unless you are 13 and under). Give the kids a break..sheesh!...It's only a friggging hobby man. Get a life!

[cyberkid]

Originally Posted by Big Kahuna

I personally think the initial content and this follow up justification to be extremely immature and pretentious.

What's more, I can't believe your cussing and flaming of individuals is allowed on the boards and that the moderators have not deleted your useless post.
I am going to report this to Phil!

We were all noobs and 14 once (that is unless you are 13 and under). Give the kids a break..sheesh!...It's only a friggging hobby man. Get a life!

Big Kahuna please read this ↓

Originally Posted by GTmike400

This is one of those times where I dont know whether to lock this, or leave it open because it does clearly state the point that I know many people have. It is one of many reasons why some of my close friends have left AF, or do not participate.

Where as a moderator I'd be obliged to lock this kind of thread. So lets keep it a civil debate and not pick apart other members, but just figure out what we can do to make this a better place in general. If the other moderators feel this subject needs to be locked, then so be it. I'll support them with their actions.

This thread to others is not useless. He addressed a situation that a lot of us feel for. To some modeling is just a 'hobby', to others its a lot more. You blamed him not being mature. Check out YOUR own last sentense:

Originally Posted by Big Kahuna

It's only a friggging hobby man. Get a life!

With this sentence you have offended a lot of ppl, me included. Your reply not only declined to maintain what you are claiming that should be allowed, you are also making yourself seem like a 14 year old trying to get revenge.

Meh my .

steve

[Apexi_N1]

I understand where freakmech is coming from, it's kind of annoying after awhile seeing people posting pictures of a brand new kit (still in the plastic bag!!) and consider it's wip (ok, opening the box is not wip).

The worst is asking for what color to go with and keep bumping up with thread with new replies of

Having said that, pin pointing a certain individuals' work is not nice and not very effective in passing on the initial message/point of the thread. I am sure freakmech is well aware of that and did apologize.

Stick with the message that freakmech is trying to point out. I think it's great that someone say it out loud for everyone who had the same thoughts.

[Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by cyberkid

Big Kahuna please read this ↓
This thread to others is not useless. He addressed a situation that a lot of us feel for. To some modeling is just a 'hobby', to others its a lot more. You blamed him not being mature. Check out YOUR own last sentense:

I did read it sir. I stand by what I said. If you get worked up over 14 year olds on the boards AND feel the need to rant in that manner (note I said RANT IN THAT MANNER), then I do not support it. Sure I get annoyed like all of you do over the same things, but if I find a thread annoying I won't bother with it. Life is too short. Hey, I love my kits and building models, but in the end, they are an extremely distant second compared to my family. So yeah, IT'S JUST A HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by cyberkid

Big Kahuna please read this ↓
This thread to others is not useless. He addressed a situation that a lot of us feel for. To some modeling is just a 'hobby', to others its a lot more. You blamed him not being mature. Check out YOUR own last sentense:
With this sentence you have offended a lot of ppl, me included. Your reply not only declined to maintain what you are claiming that should be allowed, you are also making yourself seem like a 14 year old trying to get revenge.

Meh my .

steve

Note I did not say useless. I said his delivery and then justification in the follow up message to be immature and pretentious. I am not going to say I don't swear around my friends, but to say what he said is immature. I do see that he made and effort to apologise, but it's kinda late as the naming damage had been done.
I left this page up while I went and did some chores. I came back to find my wife had jumped on the 'puter to check her eBay and email and had read this thread. Needless to say, I was embarrassed by the carry on.
It's comments like that ranting that makes these boards appear bad.

That's my 4 cents(in total) worth!

[mike@af]

This is getting closer to being locked. I stated that as long as it was a collective, unheated, debate it could stay open. The beginning was off to a rocky start, but Chad did apologize for his outburst.

The thread is going off in the wrong direction. The direction this thread needs to go in is constructive criticism. Meaning, that as long as we are getting somewhere to make this a better community for everyone and not flaming or saying that the thread has no point or not contributing any suggestions the thread should stay open, otherwise it is not a debate or hearing.

I do say community in the way the word is intended. This is more than a forum, we are a community and are all friends. Communities need outlets for people to be heard from time to time. Now, that doesnt mean that everything said will be in effect, that just means people thoughts can be heard and thought about. This cannot be a usual occurence.

Like I've said, keep this thread constructive, and not pointing out all the wrong, and the thread will stay open. Start pointing out the flaws, and all the negatives or personal problems with other members, the thread will be closed.

End of story.

[Vric]

Originally Posted by Big Kahuna

Note I did not say useless.

Funny

Originally Posted by Big Kahuna

...and that the moderators have not deleted your useless post.

[Apexi_N1]

How does the "Rate this thread" work? Maybe we can all start to use the rating system more often. (but then I just found out, don't ask me how, you can actually make your own thread and rate it EXCELLENT! ) So the thread creator and other viewer knows the quality of the thread?


Vric: good eye.