What steps do I need to take to get my car in the 13's...N/A?

[StageOneGalant]

Originally posted by GSteg


thought about a standalone engine management system yet?

Yes i have ,, maybe leaning torwards the AEM Plug & Play EMS .. Maybe... awaiting pricing from other manufacturers also. thanxs for asking.

[ric]

Originally posted by SmoovSol
No... The h22a respondz rather nicely to the gude head package with like a 42hp gain i think, i/h/e ignition wit rev limiter, and that apexi vtec controller will extract about 20 hp out of that head when gude getz finished wit tha aggressive vtec lobe. all and all you will be looking at 40hp minumum from head package, i/h/e w/ type S headerz 15hp minimum, ignition wit rev limiter for high rpm and vtec land to make some power, and have someone tune an apexi vafc for about 22hp minimum, cause u gain like 12hp on a stock motor so i feel like saying more then 22 but oh well, now with the setup i have listed you will be in the 13's, how do i know this, there is a kid around the corner from me with almost the same setup, get a nice suspension, cf hood, slickz and u'll be chillen, the kid over heres best run has been a 13.7 with above setup.. have fun in whatever u choose though

i wanna see time slips, or i will surely know that you talk from your ass. i allready know its bullshit but i'll give you a chance.

20 hp from a vafc? thats the worst, you really had to be kidding oh and 12 hp on a stock motor? i want to see dyno's of all this to back you up. i belong to a prelude owners group and nobody out of the 50 or so cars in it has seen anything remotly near that or heard of anyone who has. JRSC ludes run a 14.0 flat on average.....dont mislead these people.

[GSteg]

i've seen JRSC (6psi) with i/h/e run mid 13's before. its very hard to get the car to run fast when it weighs heavy as some 4 door family sedan. hrm...maybe you'll get that kind of gain in a vette or a viper but...in an h22?

[ViGGa2LO]

IF i were you I could take a look at maybe a stroker kit with billet crank, and a high performance intake maifold, and with all that comes ignition, headers, valves, fuel pump, rail... and a air fuel contoller... that will make you move after you tune it right.. and try looking into juno cams, heard good stuff about them

[ViGGa2LO]

okkkkk a vafc getting 20 horses... ummmm wrong

[GSteg]

Originally posted by ViGGa2LO
IF i were you I could take a look at maybe a stroker kit with billet crank, and a high performance intake maifold, and with all that comes ignition, headers, valves, fuel pump, rail... and a air fuel contoller... that will make you move after you tune it right.. and try looking into juno cams, heard good stuff about them

refer to the thread "for pro's on turbo and supercharger' something like that....go to the second page and see my response on stroker it

[SmoovSol]

Originally posted by ric



i wanna see time slips, or i will surely know that you talk from your ass. i allready know its bullshit but i'll give you a chance.

20 hp from a vafc? thats the worst, you really had to be kidding oh and 12 hp on a stock motor? i want to see dyno's of all this to back you up. i belong to a prelude owners group and nobody out of the 50 or so cars in it has seen anything remotly near that or heard of anyone who has. JRSC ludes run a 14.0 flat on average.....dont mislead these people.

lol, dude on a stock lude the apexi vafc when tuned properlyto activate vtec at 4500 gainz between 8-12hp cause when brought from japan it had to be reset to pass smog rules or some shit, wit a stage 2 aggressive cam grind and kick on the vtec at 4300 kid thatz an easy 15-25hp from a 2.2 litre engine. I am not misleading anyone, all motor there it is, all truth. time slipz dont know about that the kid is a lil wooooot. bu ti will definately try to record him, he runz all motor with that setup not sure if he has upgraded pistonz and rodz, wit slicks and hes pretty fast. Dont believe me, ok dont ask someone at gude if what i say is true? one of there techs or anyone who is anyone with honda engines should know. jrsc, lol... have fun at wat 8psi? lol

[ric]

Originally posted by SmoovSol


lol, dude on a stock lude the apexi vafc when tuned properlyto activate vtec at 4500 gainz between 8-12hp cause when brought from japan it had to be reset to pass smog rules or some shit, wit a stage 2 aggressive cam grind and kick on the vtec at 4300 kid thatz an easy 15-25hp from a 2.2 litre engine. I am not misleading anyone, all motor there it is, all truth. time slipz dont know about that the kid is a lil wooooot. bu ti will definately try to record him, he runz all motor with that setup not sure if he has upgraded pistonz and rodz, wit slicks and hes pretty fast. Dont believe me, ok dont ask someone at gude if what i say is true? one of there techs or anyone who is anyone with honda engines should know. jrsc, lol... have fun at wat 8psi? lol

dude please dont try to bullshit me.... i have a 5th gen prelude, my friend has a 5th gen with a vafc, im in a prelude owners group with about 50 other preludes most of which are vtec models.

i have never seen anyone get 8-12 hp from a vafc on a stock motor. i have never seen it on any dyno i have ever been witness to nor have i ever heard anyone claim numbers like that unless they are bullshit. stock vtec onset is set a little high at 5250 and bringing it down to 4800-4900 helps smooth out the transition but 12 hp? no. a 5 hp smoothing, yeah.

as for 15-25hp with a set of stage 2 cams be it from anyone those numbers are even more unrealistic then on a stock motor.

i know plenty of luders that have full blown n/a setups and the highest HP number i have seen to date is 218whp. that is from bumped compression, massive head work, huge cams, every bolt on available and tons of other misc equipment and machine work.

i suggest you ask for proof in the future before making claims of hp increases that would only be seen on a small block. and as for gude, telling me to ask gude about thier own stuff only proves to me that you are a typical know it all that belives everything a web site has to say about thier product. hear say gets no time in my schedule.

go do some more homework then see me.

[A20A1]

Theres an old lude with the a20 motor and dual carb running 13's and 11's with NO2


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[Pennzoil GT-R]

everyone is talking about increasing power, why dont you consider lightening the car aswell. taking out some of the non-essentials.

[ViGGa2LO]

You could most def do that, there is a lot of BS in cars now and day sthat just weigh it down... just scavenge through your engine and interior and take away anything that you dont need ie AC, silencer for intake and back seats.s

[GSteg]

Originally posted by ViGGa2LO
ie AC, silencer for intake and back seats.s

unless you don't care for the noise, go ahead! but i would much rather keep my exaust quiet (expecially at night) than take the silencer out that weighs almost next to nothing. anyways, i heard that the prelude doors feel heavy when you open them. maybe you want to check that out? i don't know, but if you have full size spare tire, get those space saving ones.

[SmoovSol]

LOL 218whp, massive headwork? huge cams? No sweety, cmon get a fucking clue, You give me a h22 with massive headwork and i ill put that bitch in the 600hp range. Obviously u dont know what massive headwork is. As far as talkin out of my azz, yah sure you go ahead and think that, but then again you probably still running 15's with tha lude. No suprise to me, just another ignorant kid who has no idea what he is talking about, I dont care if your in 50 clubs, I am in a couple as well I work on these engines every day at class as well as all my friends cars. You dont believe with a stage 2 race ready cam grind and a vtec controller wit gain you 15-25hp then go ask a honda tech or someone who knows wat the fuk there talkin bout. kid i can gain at least 20hp from a crower race cam on a sohc vtec, and then the vtec controller. Race camz are no joke lil boy...

[GSteg]

Originally posted by SmoovSol
LOL 218whp, massive headwork? huge cams? No sweety, cmon get a fucking clue, You give me a h22 with massive headwork and i ill put that bitch in the 600hp range. Obviously u dont know what massive headwork is. As far as talkin out of my azz, yah sure you go ahead and think that, but then again you probably still running 15's with tha lude. No suprise to me, just another ignorant kid who has no idea what he is talking about, I dont care if your in 50 clubs, I am in a couple as well I work on these engines every day at class as well as all my friends cars. You dont believe with a stage 2 race ready cam grind and a vtec controller wit gain you 15-25hp then go ask a honda tech or someone who knows wat the fuk there talkin bout. kid i can gain at least 20hp from a crower race cam on a sohc vtec, and then the vtec controller. Race camz are no joke lil boy...

now now..we don't need this in our forum. Ric is not a kid. he is a very good tech person and very well experienced. now is that 15hp-25hp at the wheel or at the crank? if its at the wheel,15whp is believable. 25whp is less believable.

[GSteg]

Originally posted by SmoovSol
LOL 218whp, massive headwork? huge cams? No sweety, cmon get a fucking clue, You give me a h22 with massive headwork and i ill put that bitch in the 600hp range.

and how exactly are you going to get it to 600hp all motor? u would have to rev the thing so high, yet they aren't built to run crazy RPM.

can you give me the a list of mods on how to get 600hp all motor from an h22? i would sure like to do that someday.