vr4-vs-sti

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

3000gt has 320hp
with 14psi about 350hp

a vr4 makes its peak power at 6000rpms
meaning your launching 320hp at 6000 rpm clutch dump.

there launches should be very similar

Yea I agree with that. Seeing as both cars are pretty well equiped in relatively the same manner, IMO its going to depend more on gearing in the 1320.

Anyways this is kinda off topic, but how well do those clutches hold up at launches around 6k?

[Altimas]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

3000gt has 320hp
with 14psi about 350hp

a vr4 makes its peak power at 6000rpms
meaning your launching 320hp at 6000 rpm clutch dump.

there launches should be very similar

Lauching an AWD at 6K with a clutch dump?

[youngvr4]

lol, not something you wanna do all the time, but that is how you get your best launches in the vr4

clutch, tranny, transfer case, none will hold long with a bunch of 6k rpm dumps

when i first got my vr4, i think i did that around 20 times till the clutch finally went out and the transfer case



Putting the power to the pavement is the name of the acceleration game. The Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 has 320 hp, much less than the Jag and Lightning, and the same power rating as the Mustang Cobra. So what gives the Mitsubishi the advantage over them? Traction.

This is the only all-wheel-drive car in this test. That means no wheelspin. Launching the Mitsubishi is so simple, it's like flying into outer space - even a monkey can do it. Just tach up the DOHC twin-turbocharged V6 up near its 6000 rpm power peak and drop that clutch. Granted, this isn't the best thing for the car's durability, but it sure gets this 2+2 off the line like a slingshot. All four 18-in. tires dig in, the 3000GT squats like Mike Piazza, and you are gone.

Don't expect any rubber when you throw gears, either. Tire slip in this car is harder to come by than a date with Pamela Anderson. Shifter action and clutch takeup could be a bit smoother, so quick gear changes aren't easy. But the V6's surprising amount of low-end torque really gets the heavy Mitsubishi going. And the motor pulls right up to its 7000 rpm redline.



Test Summary:
Mitsubishi 3000GT

Base price: $44,600, Price as tested: $45,140
Engine: 3.0L/181.0 CID DOHC 24v twin turbo V6
HP: 320 @ 6000 rpm, Torque: 315 ft.-lb. @ 2500 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/awd
Final drive: 3.87:1 w/center viscous coupling
Curb weight: 3737 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 11.7
Horsepower/liter: 106.7, Tires: 245/40ZR18
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.70 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.00 sec.
1/4 mile: 13.44 sec. @ 101.79 mph

[Schister66]

I think it'd be a toss up between a 99 VR4 and an STi....i'd probably pic the Subie if i could afford it....

[Altimas]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

lol, not something you wanna do all the time, but that is how you get your best launches in the vr4

clutch, tranny, transfer case, none will hold long with a bunch of 6k rpm dumps

when i first got my vr4, i think i did that around 20 times till the clutch finally went out and the transfer case



Putting the power to the pavement is the name of the acceleration game. The Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 has 320 hp, much less than the Jag and Lightning, and the same power rating as the Mustang Cobra. So what gives the Mitsubishi the advantage over them? Traction.

This is the only all-wheel-drive car in this test. That means no wheelspin. Launching the Mitsubishi is so simple, it's like flying into outer space - even a monkey can do it. Just tach up the DOHC twin-turbocharged V6 up near its 6000 rpm power peak and drop that clutch. Granted, this isn't the best thing for the car's durability, but it sure gets this 2+2 off the line like a slingshot. All four 18-in. tires dig in, the 3000GT squats like Mike Piazza, and you are gone.

Don't expect any rubber when you throw gears, either. Tire slip in this car is harder to come by than a date with Pamela Anderson. Shifter action and clutch takeup could be a bit smoother, so quick gear changes aren't easy. But the V6's surprising amount of low-end torque really gets the heavy Mitsubishi going. And the motor pulls right up to its 7000 rpm redline.



Test Summary:
Mitsubishi 3000GT

Base price: $44,600, Price as tested: $45,140
Engine: 3.0L/181.0 CID DOHC 24v twin turbo V6
HP: 320 @ 6000 rpm, Torque: 315 ft.-lb. @ 2500 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/awd
Final drive: 3.87:1 w/center viscous coupling
Curb weight: 3737 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 11.7
Horsepower/liter: 106.7, Tires: 245/40ZR18
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.70 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.00 sec.
1/4 mile: 13.44 sec. @ 101.79 mph

I'd take me one of those sced mustang cobras over a vr4

Btw they're rated at 390HP btw.
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/svt_mustang.asp
But they serve different purposes and because of that I would never own a vr4 even I had the cash.
If I did I'd swap out that wussy visious coupling for something that doesn't take a bit of time to hook up, and results in violent behavor when you start pushing lots of power though it.
I've been in one before and wasn't all that impressed with it actually, but the person driving didn't do one of your drivetrain killing clutch drops...
That John Shep fella who drag races his DSM slips the clutch a bit btw.
I find AWD systems that don't vary the ammount of power to a waste at speed since most forms of racing don't only invole getting a super launch, and to that end there are RWD cars that launch harder because of their weight transfer.
A skyline R34 would be nice though since it continously varies the ammount of splity as you well know.

[youngvr4]

take time to hook up? what are you talking about? its instant.
the rest is opinionated and respected.

my dads C5 corvette doesnt launch harder than my vr4. of course theres cars with much more power that can take off in rwd faster than the vr4 in awd, but thats for any awd sti or evo or anything else.

[Altimas]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

take time to hook up? what are you talking about? its instant.
the rest is opinionated and respected.

my dads C5 corvette doesnt launch harder than my vr4. of course theres cars with much more power that can take off in rwd faster than the vr4 in awd, but thats for any awd sti or evo or anything else.

Do you know have a vicious diff works?
it's open untill the wheels(in your case since it's a center) start to slip and it takes time for it lock the wheels.
http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/4wd_turbo_cars.html
You're dad's C5 doesn't launch any harder because it's not set up for drag racing.
However I'd take the C5 over a VR4 in a heart beat.
In a road race I think we know who would win.


Strictly speaking drag racing, rwd cars(that transfer lots of weight to the back) with huge slicks are better are just as good or better than AWD cars.
When you launch an AWD car with lots of power weight obviously transfers to the rear.. you lose traction for the front wheels.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Altimas

When you launch an AWD car with lots of power weight obviously transfers to the rear.. you lose traction for the front wheels.

hence most AWD system's rear biased split.

and though the VR4's AWD doesnt lock "instantly" it is quick enough where the driver would never be able to tell. it actually has one of the quicker reacting AWD systems available to date that is on a car costing under $50k.

i would give the 1320 race in this situation to the STI but the VR4 shouldnt be too far behind it. within a car length...i recently just drove my 2nd VR4 and i can tell you that it carries its weight very well but especially well in straight line performance. it didnt feel like a heavy car until a sharp turn came along but it was built for Grand Touring so it is respectable that its tight cornering ability isnt on par with a mazda miata.

[Altimas]

Originally Posted by k3smostwanted

hence most AWD system's rear biased split.

and though the VR4's AWD doesnt lock "instantly" it is quick enough where the driver would never be able to tell. it actually has one of the quicker reacting AWD systems available to date that is on a car costing under $50k.

i would give the 1320 race in this situation to the STI but the VR4 shouldnt be too far behind it. within a car length...i recently just drove my 2nd VR4 and i can tell you that it carries its weight very well but especially well in straight line performance. it didnt feel like a heavy car until a sharp turn came along but it was built for Grand Touring so it is respectable that its tight cornering ability isnt on par with a mazda miata.

But what I'm saying is that if you want to drag race, you dont want AWD.. it's a waste when you've transfers the better part of the front weight to the rear.
If he got Torsen diff or quafe I bet he'd never go back

Anyway..
I think the AWD system I'd like that is static (doesn't vary the split) is something that is way rear biased, like only 30-35% front.
That would be nice since you still could have RWD fun only with more stability.
IIRC the 3000GT has 45% goin to the front.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Altimas

But what I'm saying is that if you want to drag race, you dont want AWD.. it's a waste when you've transfers the better part of the front weight to the rear.
If he got Torsen diff or quafe I bet he'd never go back

Anyway..
I think the AWD system I'd like that is static (doesn't vary the split) is something that is way rear biased, like only 30-35% front.
That would be nice since you still could have RWD fun only with more stability.
IIRC the 3000GT has 45% goin to the front.

i dont know...if you drag a street car, i havent seen many disappointing AWD cars. AWD can usually shave a good chunk of time off of a 1/4 mile time when compared to a RWD in a street car match-up. though in pure drag racing, RWD is obviously the clear cut choice as all dragsters use it.

yes and the torsen diff is nice but i have yet to drive a car with a quaife diff though quaife is in the process of desiging one for the 300zx.

[Altimas]

Originally Posted by k3smostwanted

i dont know...if you drag a street car, i havent seen many disappointing AWD cars. AWD can usually shave a good chunk of time off of a 1/4 mile time when compared to a RWD in a street car match-up. though in pure drag racing, RWD is obviously the clear cut choice as all dragsters use it.

yes and the torsen diff is nice but i have yet to drive a car with a quaife diff though quaife is in the process of desiging one for the 300zx.

Ya, im talkin a built drag car

AWD is good(even 50:50 split) for the amount of longitudinal traction they provide and their (like fwd) stabilising effect when you nail the gas.

[youngvr4]

altima i know all this, the fastest drag cars are rwd... this is baby talk

i'd probably take a c5 vette over the vr4 too lol, that wasnt the question

and yes i know what v/c is, but like k3 mentioned its basically instant.

can you name a car within a vr4's speed that can come off the line faster than a vr4? anything in the 13's? thats not awd?

the vr4 has a very good launch, comparible to the sti, end of story

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

altima i know all this, the fastest drag cars are rwd... this is baby talk

i'd probably take a c5 vette over the vr4 too lol, that wasnt the question

and yes i know what v/c is, but like k3 mentioned its basically instant.

can you name a car within a vr4's speed that can come off the line faster than a vr4? anything in the 13's? thats not awd?

the vr4 has a very good launch, comparible to the sti, end of story

hey young, have you dyno tuned with your Super AFC yet? is so, did you get a noticeable difference? do you like it? easy to use?

i have seen some pretty remarkable numbers from a dyno tuning session with it...just wanted to know what you thought of it.

[Altimas]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

altima i know all this, the fastest drag cars are rwd... this is baby talk

i'd probably take a c5 vette over the vr4 too lol, that wasnt the question

and yes i know what v/c is, but like k3 mentioned its basically instant.

can you name a car within a vr4's speed that can come off the line faster than a vr4? anything in the 13's? thats not awd?

the vr4 has a very good launch, comparible to the sti, end of story

Don't make the common mistake of assuming my name is for the shitty car
Er not stock.. but the point is that that RWD cars can catch up with the vr4, the C5 has no problem posting a faster ET.
Launching isn't everything and I doubt very many 3000GTs drag race.
The Vr4 is a good touring car or whatever but it has nothing on true sport cars.
It is pointless to argue the performance the Vr4 it since it wasn't made for only performance and it's severely handicapped with it's weight disadvantage.

[nastyNater]

im picking STi over the mitsubishi all day long. better reliability anyways.....