Pagani Zonda C12-s vs. Saleen S7 vs. Mclaren F1 LM vs. Lamborghini Diablo SE30 Jota

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Chris
I thought the LM was road legal (in Europe, anyway)

but we yanks...have to settle for a dumbed down version...autobahn with an LM..hmmmm....

[Chris]

Actually, teh LM is slower than the 'regular' F1, due to aerodynamic considerations. It is faster accelerating, has more power, and less weight. More of a track car than a road car. ANd only 5 in existence (all orange)

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Chris
Actually, teh LM is slower than the 'regular' F1, due to aerodynamic considerations. It is faster accelerating, has more power, and less weight. More of a track car than a road car. ANd only 5 in existence (all orange)

top speed?? sure, but who cares when you are going upwards of 200 which it will still do. the first year they took on lemans they finished 1-3-4-6-7 i think...and the LM that you can get...is the exact same car that took lemans by storm. i saw one for sale on the internet a while ago...one of the lemans cars itself.

The orange is cool looking..it's my desktop at home.

[Adam]

yeah.. once your above 200 mph it just doesn't matter...

and plus the LM looks better than the regular



I would still take the zonda for looks... once you get below 4 seconds to 60 mph and above 200 mph, which the Zonda and McLaren both do, you don't care about anything better, so i'd take the Zonda based on looks

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Adam
yeah.. once your above 200 mph it just doesn't matter...

and plus the LM looks better than the regular



I would still take the zonda for looks... once you get below 4 seconds to 60 mph and above 200 mph, which the Zonda and McLaren both do, you don't care about anything better, so i'd take the Zonda based on looks

the LM will not go under just 4...it will make 0-60 under 3!! that is a huge difference....looks...that bubble eyed, with the brown eye in the back thing....you think looks better the LM?? well, everyone has the right to their opinion...... :frog:

[Lizard King]

S7 looks better than both.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King
S7 looks better than both.

first off...you are wrong!! with that said..i'm talking about spening over a million.... i want power and performance...even if the S7 actually looked better, which it doesn't (never seen a car with more scoops and crap..looks like a riced nsx or something), I would still much rather have the LM! the S7 uses some kind of ford V8 or some crap....super car...jeez...

[Chris]

The LM's you can buy are BETTER than the LeMans ones. They removed teh limiters, so they got more power. They are different than the racing versions in no other way. Whcih is good

And the S7 uses a lowly Ford V8 (with about 550 hp). It has 64 scoops on it.

And the McLaren would have way better acceleration than the Pagani. Here is a pic o fthe McLaren:






Nice

[Lizard King]

I'll forget the looks thing, because looks are subjective. (I think the S7 looks better)

But oh my god, I thought this board was free of such ignorance as to call the Ford V8 shit and lowly. Just what is shit about it? Explain.

Its a fantastic engine. All the power and torque you could ever want, plus its more reliable than the engines these other cars are running. The sound alone makes it a great engine.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King
I'll forget the looks thing, because looks are subjective. (I think the S7 looks better)

But oh my god, I thought this board was free of such ignorance as to call the Ford V8 shit and lowly. Just what is shit about it? Explain.

Its a fantastic engine. All the power and torque you could ever want, plus its more reliable than the engines these other cars are running.

dude i got nothing against ford V8's but to put it in the same league as the BMW M Power V12, with over 650HP, almost 8k redline....come one. We are talking about apples and oranges here. That ford V8 would be awesome in the Mustang Cobra R or something like that, but a supercar...no way. I want a V10, or V12, light weight, high revving, insane-o HP engine. Besides the v12 in the McLaren has way more then enough torque...it is a non-issue.

More reliable....i seriously doubt it. The McLaren engine isn't no honda 4 banger, but it is fairly reliable for what it is...and really who cares about reliablility here...we are talking about supercars...if you afford a car with gold plating covering the engine...like you are gonna care if you have to fix your motor once in a while!!

[Lizard King]

So basically the things that make the Ford engine unworthy are in your mind.

You'll be suprised how light the Ford engine is. It is all aluminum after all. 8 cylinders is enough.

You also talk like the Ford engine isn't powerful. The only reason why it isn't more powerful is that Saleen have built it that way. You can buy a 427 Ford with 750hp.

The engine has a 7000rpm redline, not that redlines mean anything in the real world.

The BMW engine in the McLaren is in no way better than the 427 Ford.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King
So basically the things that make the Ford engine unworthy are in your mind.

You'll be suprised how light the Ford engine is. It is all aluminum after all. 8 cylinders is enough.

You also talk like the Ford engine isn't powerful. The only reason why it isn't more powerful is that Saleen have built it that way. You can buy a 427 Ford with 750hp.

The engine has a 7000rpm redline, not that redlines mean anything in the real world.

The BMW engine in the McLaren is in no way better than the 427 Ford.

i like the 427....but i have yet to see any car with a 427 that can do what the McLaren can do...and if they are the just as good...why didn't mclaren use a the 427... HP is not the end all of the game...the engine in the McLaren is perfectly tuned for that car...it was designed with that car in mind. they just did not take some crate engine, build it...and then shove it into a light weight shell (the S7). The entire car was build around that engine. You can make 800+ Hp our of a chevy 350...my friend has one on his drag mustang...he put a 350 from chevy into, bored it out, built it...for about 20k...thing runs 8 sec 1/4 miles...cool, but I would take the McLaren any day...engineering is much more then just slamming a big engine in a light body...and calling it good.

The Mclaren Lm took everyone at LeMans...first time it ever ran. Every car finished the 24 hour race..all in the top 7...no one has ever or most likely will ever repeat that.

[Chris]

I agree entirely. A supercar is more than a crate engine in a fast car. The S7 may be fast, powerful, and balanced. But for my money, I want something exotic. And McLarens have been wrung out repeatedly without breaking, as is the nature of endurance racing.
In no way am I critisizin gcrate engines or the S7's performance. It's just that 427's are a dime a dozen, and McLAren V12's are perfect for the car. It is the ultimate in engineering. And thats that

[Lizard King]

Like I said, its all in the mind.

I'm not sure but I think the 427 used in the S7 isn't just a straight crate motor implant. They did there own work to it.

I'm sure someone has built a 427 powered car that can beat a McLaren on the track. It got pretty poor road holding marks on the skid pan. Yes, I know theres more to a car than numbers.

The Ford GT40 could beat anything in its day.

[Chris]

True, GT 40's were invinciable, and Saleen re-works the engines. And the McLaren skip-pad numbers are, er, can't find it now. Will try and post it later.