New Law in FL that sucks a big one--Street race and lose your car

[crunchymilk55]

san antonio has had this for a while now

[Chiquae07]

they don't have this over here in Wi. They just like to give tickets, but mostly to imports. the import can have full catback legal exhaust, and be given a fix it or ticket thing, but the muscle cars are even louder and dont get no tickets for their exhaust.

street racing isn't really known as a problem here b/c they have other things to worry about.

we have a lil step program up here as well
15-permit
16-probationary (midnight curfue and only 1 other person in the car unless with a 21 or older person with lisence for 2 years)
17 1/2 - full no restraints

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

Asshole politicians do anything that sounds good to the general public. Like i said our system is f*cked up.

On a related note in King county Washington they are passing new strip joint laws. They all now have to have "department store" type lighting, no more private rooms, AND the strippers have to be 4 feet away during a lap dance.

Seriously what harm is a strip joint going to do? God forbid a woman grinds up against a man. Now the strip clubs are going to go out of buisness or move. Tell me that isn't a load of pointless bullshit. I can't believe that they'd actually waste time on something like that LIKE ITS A BIG F*CKING DEAL. DAMNIT! (btw I've only been to a strip club once. My point is it's all about the image)

[DigitalQuirk]

The fast and furious movies were stupid to begin with; they insulted my intelligence when I watched them. That said...

I think street racing is the cause of more accidents than we know. The trouble with street racing is it has to be proven that someone was racing before you can charge them with it. Let me give you a scenario: A week or so ago, a kid and his friend were driving their Chevrolet Cobalt along the 401 and it somehow got caught under the wheels of a tractor trailer, burst into flames, and burned the car and its occupants very crispy. At first, they thought it might have been a bad lane change, then they recovered the cars "Black box." The air bag chip recorded the speed at impact at 156 km/h (97 MPH) before the air bags went off. Now, it is common for people to drive at 130 km/h (80 MPH) along this highway, but this guy was doing almost 100 MPH at the point of impact. Usually, people slow down before impact, so it is likely that the driver was going even faster.

Since this happened after midnight on a week night, there wasn't any witnesses...but when your car ends up under the wheels of a truck at 100 MPH, and there's no evidence of alcohol involved, the logical conclusion is that this idiot was racing.

The thing is, our streets and highways are paid for and owned by the taxpayers (general public). We live in a supposed democrasy, where the majority rules. The majority does not want to see their streets turned into drag strips because we all know that racing involves speed, increased speed means reduced reaction time, and public roads are uncontrolled which means anything can happen. Just ask the motorcycle rider who hit the side of a car at 100 MPH that decided to do a U-turn. Or not, because he's dead now.

A lot of you guys sound like the smoker who thinks, smoking doesn't cause cancer and it won't happen to me, I should be able to smoke anywhere I want.

The simple fact of the matter is, there is a process that's involved for these laws to pass. If you can manage to convince everyone that you should be allowed to turn their streets into impromptu drag strips for your own personal enjoyment and gratification, then by all means do so.

[DigitalQuirk]

Originally Posted by Chiquae07

they don't have this over here in Wi. They just like to give tickets, but mostly to imports. the import can have full catback legal exhaust, and be given a fix it or ticket thing, but the muscle cars are even louder and dont get no tickets for their exhaust.

That's likely because most muscle cars would fall under the "Classic" or "Vintage" car classification due to their age. They probably meet the requirements of the year they were built in, when cars were spewing out fumes from leaded gasoline. Due to their classification, they wouldn't be daily drivers. If I were to stick an overtly loud catback system on my Grand Am GT, I'd probably receive the same kind of attention.

[DigitalQuirk]

Originally Posted by PWRDbyUNCLEbens

On a related note in King county Washington they are passing new strip joint laws. They all now have to have "department store" type lighting, no more private rooms, AND the strippers have to be 4 feet away during a lap dance.

Seriously what harm is a strip joint going to do? God forbid a woman grinds up against a man.

The issue there isn't about what a consenting woman and man want to do with each other. The issue is that bad things can (and do) happen at strip clubs if left unregulated. This is usually compounded by the fact that these strip clubs are located where people live and/or work. Now, I hear you say, what's the harm, why interfere with their business? There's a mindset these days that a business should be able to do whatever they want to make a dollar, as long as nobody gets hurt. The fact of the matter is, businesses are regulated to protect people from what *might* happen. It's why we say that bars and restaurants can't serve people alcohol until they reach a certain age. It's why restaurants are inspected to make sure food is prepped in a manner that is sanitary. You can give your own kid a glass of wine, prepare your food any way you like, and have a woman grind against you in your own home, but a business is not a residence and as such will face regulations and laws. You may not like it, but as long as we believe we're living in a democrasy, the will of the majority rules.

[-Jayson-]

^^^ uhh no you cant give your kid a glass of whine in your own home. The fact that it is illegal in anyform to serve a minor alchohol. Granit i doubt anyone will care about one glass, but i know people who got tickets for that.

A family friend of ours daughter graduated. There were a group of kids who were great friends and so were the parents. One night they decided to have a part together. The parents were upstrairs drinking and what not, the kids (and when i mean kids, i mean 17 18 year olds) were in the basement drinking. Well apparently someone who thought they should have been invited but wasnt called the cops, the cops showed up and asked to come in. Once they were in the house they searched the house, went into the basement and wrote every kid down there a MIP and the parents tickets for distributing alcohol to a minor.

[DigitalQuirk]

^^^It is illegal to get a minor intoxicated. It is not, however, illegal to give YOUR own child (not someone else's child) a glass of wine. As long as the amount of wine you are giving them is not sufficient to cause intoxication.

[Chiquae07]

actually, these cars are usually all motor anf just have the i/h/e and basic bolt ons. not enough to need track gas. but they are actually newer cars like the 96 mustangs and the 90's camaros are very popular. occasionally you will see a vintage stang, but they are usally just restored....

[TheStang00]

dude everyones missing the point now, the fact is street racing isnt a pressing issue, most accidents arent caused by it. this law shouldnt be something our government is dealing with first, its not nearly as important as other issues.

[RaidenKing]

too drunk

[caleb56]

Originally Posted by crunchymilk55

san antonio has had this for a while now

I had a cop in Kirby tell me if i spun my tires again around the block they would take my car and sell it.

[DigitalQuirk]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

dude everyones missing the point now, the fact is street racing isnt a pressing issue, most accidents arent caused by it. this law shouldnt be something our government is dealing with first, its not nearly as important as other issues.

Are you suggesting that people should only focus on the most important issues, and forget about the other ones? Did you collect your own statistical data, using a sufficiently large enough sample, to prove that turning public streets into impromptu drag strips is a completely safe hobby to pursue? As I mentioned previously, the difficulty with regards to street racing is actually proving that a street race took place. In most cases, those involved would have to be stupid enough to actually admit they were street racing. When they can't prove that a street race caused an accident and/or death, they attribute it to "Speeding" or "Wreckless driving" because that's usually all they can prove after the fact.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

dude everyones missing the point now, the fact is street racing isnt a pressing issue, most accidents arent caused by it. this law shouldnt be something our government is dealing with first, its not nearly as important as other issues.

Thank you.

As far as anyone debating my point about the strip clubs, then your obviously a little bit too conservative. That's my Plus like I said who really gives a shit about a strip club? It's not infecting everything in its radius. Anyways there are much bigger things to waste your time on.

[Igovert500]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

What FL DOES need to do is start pulling over Women driving Minivans and, worse yet, Suburbans (or similar SUV's) full of kids, talking on the cell phone, putting on lip stick, masterbating, and eating all at the same time that are cutting people off, nearly running off the road, swerving from lane to lane...we all know the drill.

WAIT WAIT WAIT...FL has women masterbating with their kids int eh back of their SUVs? God PA is too conservative
Anyway, can't say I like the law, and yes cops and press sometimes do give alot of BS. But that's life, we are breaking the law, and they are doing their jobs. It's not fair, but neither is alot of other things. Bottom line, is all this bitching really necessary? Especially being that this thread has NO racing involved.