hayabusa vs zx14

[twizddirtryda14]

busa's suck. i hate workin on them. a gixxer1 w/ a power comander will beat a busa.

[jeffcoslacker]

Quicker or faster, which?

They say top will be 186, same as the 'Busa.

[slowpoke rodriguez]

Originally Posted by DealsGap

Unfortunately those rolling roadblocks outnumber just about everything this time of year!



In reality, it doesn't take a supercar to outrun most people on a sportbike. I have passed countless superbikes in the twisties in the bone stock miata I used to drive, and thats an entry level, underpowered sportscar with an average driver. Cars are, as you said, MUCH easier to drive fast than bikes are, and there are a very, very few people that can use the potential of any modern sportbike. The ones that truly can are usually the ones out doing it for a living that you'll never see on a streetbike anyways.

After having the opportunity to share a track and be humbled by a rider like Kevin Schwantz, it truly is amazing what even a bone stock 600 is capable of. I consider myself to be a good rider, but seeing how much more potential there is to be extracted from a streetbike over what any of us mortals can even fathom is truly amazing. I believe that in reality, even an average driver in a nice sportscar like an Evo will have very little competition from motorcyclists on a spirited backroad run, but this is only because of the difficulty of harnessing a bikes potential, and the relative lack of riding ability from the general population of riders. Put someone like Schwantz on a Gixxer 1k with some sticky rubber on a track, and thats where my money is going to go against any production car. Although there are some cars that I'd bet would be very comparable with the right driver, they're just not cars I'll ever personally see or get the chance to run against.

There was a test done in a magazine some time ago where a joe shmo was given a gsxr and 2 other professional motorists were given Porsche GT3 and BMw M3. The one motorist was the WRC champ of a few years ago.

The bike was 5 seconds in front of the supercars around a track.

When passing a bike in the twisties, ask yourself if he is riding hard or cruising cos many times, I let people pass me because I'm enjoying the view and the smell of the air. Now and then some boy with tricked car tries to match me for speed and I leave him clean behind because they ride recklessly trying to maintain the speed I am riding. And my bike is an old bike with bad handling which gets left behind by the latest bikes so I cannot imagine where you get your sample to make the above statement.

[DealsGap]

Originally Posted by slowpoke rodriguez

There was a test done in a magazine some time ago where a joe shmo was given a gsxr and 2 other professional motorists were given Porsche GT3 and BMw M3. The one motorist was the WRC champ of a few years ago.

The bike was 5 seconds in front of the supercars around a track.

When passing a bike in the twisties, ask yourself if he is riding hard or cruising cos many times, I let people pass me because I'm enjoying the view and the smell of the air. Now and then some boy with tricked car tries to match me for speed and I leave him clean behind because they ride recklessly trying to maintain the speed I am riding. And my bike is an old bike with bad handling which gets left behind by the latest bikes so I cannot imagine where you get your sample to make the above statement.

First off, I call complete bullshit that an "average" rider will even see the taillights of a WRC champ in a GT3 for more than a few seconds. Not going to happen. The average rider is just not fast in any way, shape, or form. I would love to see something to back up that claim.

I have had more riders than I can count wrecklessly and dangerously try to keep up with me in my car through tight mountain roads, and very rarely did I end up having to pull over and wave anyone by. I stand by my statement completely that the average driver will outrun the average rider more often than not. The level of danger and skill required is much higher for a given speed on a bike than it is in a cage.

[slowpoke rodriguez]

Originally Posted by DealsGap

First off, I call complete bullshit that an "average" rider will even see the taillights of a WRC champ in a GT3 for more than a few seconds. Not going to happen. The average rider is just not fast in any way, shape, or form. I would love to see something to back up that claim.

For a comparison, I think that if I had a Supra and WRC champ had a Fiesta, I would leave him behind on a track because no matter how much time he makes up on the corners with superior riding skill, there is no substitute for raw power to weight ratio. Even though I am slow, the car is fast. Similarly ......

Superbike Mag had test wrt above.

As well, there is a nightclub owner who has a Lambo latest one, Mucielargo? Was caught speeding and put in Newspaper. Confessed to papers that he was having a race with a CBR1000 but couldn't catch it. But then again in your favour, that wasn't mountain riding, was open road.

It would be cool if they had say Hopkins on a Bog Gixer1000 and Schumacher in a bogstandard Ferrari around Isle of man to settle this but I guess asking too much.

Does anybody have a guess as to what causes centre 2 cylinder plugs of an inline4 to foul up badly after a few hundred K's but outer 2 are fine on Carb bike?

[zteve]

Too many hazards on the street to ride a bike at speed in curves. It's a lot easier and more sane to do it in a car. Everyone always says it's the biker's ability but I think it's the fact that he knows he could rip most cars a new one so why risk life and limb.

[UncleBob]

saying busa/ZX14's "dont handle" is kinda like saying water isn't very wet. Is there better handling bikes? Yes. Will you get your ass handed to you by a good rider on a busa/ZX14? Most definitely. For that matter, its mostly the rider in the twisties, anyone that says otherwise reads magazines too much.

[Steel]

200 horsepower? jesus. That's as much power as my 3.4L v6 motor puts out! You gotta be nuts to ride one of those at WOT.

[DealsGap]

Originally Posted by UncleBob

saying busa/ZX14's "dont handle" is kinda like saying water isn't very wet. Is there better handling bikes? Yes. Will you get your ass handed to you by a good rider on a busa/ZX14? Most definitely. For that matter, its mostly the rider in the twisties, anyone that says otherwise reads magazines too much.

While I agree with you, whether or not something handles well is relative. If you compare a Hayabusa to a 600RR, for example, a Hayabusa handles like a pregnant cow.

A good rider will likely outrun a lesser rider regardless of bike, but there's no way around the fact that if the same rider went from trying to throw a Hayabusa around in the mountains to riding a pure sportbike he would be much faster on the latter.

[jeffcoslacker]

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottest...FF38FFE441.htm

[bkvj]

do you think the new 2006 kawasaki zx14 is going to take over the hayabusa as the fastest stock sportbike?

it all depends what you mean by fastests.
fastests in a straight line?(stock zx14R)
fastests on the track?(god knows at the moment)

[SeaWarrior]

there are too many variables in this comparison for there to be an obvious winner...

[jeffcoslacker]

Originally Posted by slowpoke rodriguez

Does anybody have a guess as to what causes centre 2 cylinder plugs of an inline4 to foul up badly after a few hundred K's but outer 2 are fine on Carb bike?

The centers run a little hotter, so are more vulnerable to lean misfire, but that won't foul plugs. Other than that, a bad carb synch or a choke linkage fault....or something goofy about your intake airflow.

Mod the airbox at all?

[R1-rider]

Originally Posted by DealsGap

First off, I call complete bullshit that an "average" rider will even see the taillights of a WRC champ in a GT3 for more than a few seconds. Not going to happen. The average rider is just not fast in any way, shape, or form. I would love to see something to back up that claim.

I have had more riders than I can count wrecklessly and dangerously try to keep up with me in my car through tight mountain roads, and very rarely did I end up having to pull over and wave anyone by. I stand by my statement completely that the average driver will outrun the average rider more often than not. The level of danger and skill required is much higher for a given speed on a bike than it is in a cage.

Deals is right, I was trying to keep up with my friends 911 GT2 through some hard twisties a few months ago and he pulled away driving safely (from my perspective) while I was riding hard.

[UncleBob]

Originally Posted by DealsGap

While I agree with you, whether or not something handles well is relative. If you compare a Hayabusa to a 600RR, for example, a Hayabusa handles like a pregnant cow.

A good rider will likely outrun a lesser rider regardless of bike, but there's no way around the fact that if the same rider went from trying to throw a Hayabusa around in the mountains to riding a pure sportbike he would be much faster on the latter.

it all gets rather quantitive. Lighter bikes have quicker turn in. More aggressive geometry, lighter unsprung components, all equal quicker turn in, or I should say, less effort is necessary for the same speed of turn in.

That does NOT make a bike "better handling". It makes it EASIER to transition.

What actually effects capability of a bike (beyond the rider of course) is tires formost. Ground clearance (maximum lean angle capability) and suspension quality.

And there is some engine characteristics that help for TRULY slow speed corners, a more powerful motor is harder acheive maximum acceleration out of a corner.

What all of this equals is, assuming you are a fit person capable of wrenching on the bars a bit, assuming both bikes have simular lean angle capability, assuming the rider of the "faster" bike has good throttle control and is comfortable with traction limits.....both bikes will be the same speed IN the corners.

A lot of assumptions....but its true: A more aggressive handling bike does not make it more CAPABLE than any other bike. Just easier.