Eclipse 3000 GT Engine Swap Decision

[SLArcice]

Originally Posted by TreeFrog

again you will never do it, so there is no need to us to keep posting this. YOU WILL NEVER swap in that engine, i promise you that. You come in with 3 post and shoot off your mouth about stuff you know NOTHING about.

Why do you think I'm here, to get those second opinions. Like I said before if everyone knew all the answers I don't think anyone would be here. I asked for advice, outside of that why do you have to be a prick?

As for everyone else, THANK YOU!!!! Your help is much much much appreciated. As for overall performance upgrades I think I've come to a conslusion as far as parts. My cousin owns a performance shop out here and is going through the same headache with his dsm, so from his failures are comming my solutions.

Was wondering if I could pose a question about weight reduction, roughly what in general I can shave off while maintaning a legal status. Seats, front and back are going to be gone, completely, replaced with molded fiberglass. Project weight is roughly 3000 pounds, curb weight of an eclipse is roughly 600 pounds more then that. Front hood, back hatch both carbon setups. Airbag systems will be removed. Any additional suggestions to reduce the weight by a great amount will be appreciated.

And if you all are wondering where I'm comming from and my massive 3 posts (we all start somewhere sometime frog) I'm 19, been racing compeditively yamaha r6's and r1's since I first got my license at 16. My insurance company found a few illegal modifications in my motorcycle and now trying to bill me over $480 a month for my bike and in a nutshell when it rains in vegas it fricken RAINS. Half the time too much so to even make it into work on a bike. Getting slightly tired of all of this I started looking for a new project vehicle, starting with old muscle cars, but honestly, I wanted more of a tuner edge. The whole goal in this project is to get the same feeling I get out of my bike... from a car. Not the feeling that you're just driving A-B, but you're riding something the entire way.

Below is a few pictures of the bike for the hell of it, maybe so you guys can get an idea of where I'm comming from and where I want to end up.







P.S. Thank you again to everyone for their posts, Whathits14, gthompson97, Shpyder, ted_ex that's the type of information I needed right there, just a general understanding and a personal opinion. As for getting the parts from the same store, no, not one store is going to have all top performance, however that store right there is a decent start considering they've built several 10 second and below DSM's. Another one of those things where if you feel something can be found somewhere else, point a finger

[defiancy]

Your A/C you can remove that to make the car lighter.

[SLArcice]

Originally Posted by defiancy

Your A/C you can remove that to make the car lighter.

True, but I kinda like the idea of air conditioning when it comes to vegas weather lol, we have 120 degree summers, they're winding down now so it wont be that big of a deal. Hmm... actually, good consideration to make. Remember this is a touring car still, 4 hours with no A/C lol might as well build an oven on wheels.

[Black97GST]

thats a bad ass bike man!

[gthompson97]

a/c removal will be a weight reduction and also will put some power back into the motor. it won't be taking power away to run the ac belts and anything anymore

[Nayr747]

My only real point is: If you're going to do this yourself and do it right, you're going to need to do A LOT of research and reading. It will take a lot of time. There are some good starting points like dsmtuners starter guide http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gturbo/ and a few others. Also check out the FAQ stickied (hopefully still there?) on this forum for sites and info. But people can't just tell you what to do to build what you want. If you've got the cash, which it seems you do, then just head over to CA and tell a DSM shop what you want. I'm sure they'll be happy to do it for you and do it right.

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by SLArcice

As for getting the parts from the same store, no, not one store is going to have all top performance

Frankly, SBR and RRE are just two of the several respected 4g63 performance shops out there, that can build you a race car from the ground up, if you leave it with them long enough and have the money, and there are others out there. That means, they can have the long block squared away, and turbo stuff done with all supporting mods (FMIC, DSMLink, EBC, fuel, blah blah). You'll want to get Shep or TRE to make you a nice tranny for the power levels youre looking at, and have it shipped to wherever your car is being built.

I think it's a good idea to have as much stuff done in one shop, rather than do a runaround, especially if the shop is one that specializes in just DSMs. The guys at RRE and SBR know these cars inside out, and can help you out along the upgrade routine without you ever having to search a single forum (reccommended for those who don't want to learn and just want the goodies in already! lol). I always do a runaround as far as parts are concerned, and it saves me a lot of money (EBay, local message boards, DSMTuner classifieds, etc). I just picked up a brand new boxed Profec B Spec II and a wireless GReddy switch for $220. But I'd rather have one place install it, because then, they are responsible for everything that is being done, and can't shift blames to other installers if something goes wrong.

I purchased a used short-block on EBay, being sold by SBR, and used by SBR. Instead of them having to ship bits and pieces here and there, I asked them to add a race head, and a 6-bolt swap kit, and then ship me the entire thing, so all my mechanic has to do is throw the engine in, without having to worry about figuring the 1G CAS wiring out, and a host of other issues. DSMs are different (I know everyone says that about their own cars, but no seriously, our cars are like retarded different ). You want to keep your car away from the generic "Blu Neonz Performance Club" shops, and have places like RRE and SBR work on your car as much as you can. There's a great comfort in the knowledge that your car is being worked on by people who have tested, maintained, and upgraded virtually every part of a DSM.

In summary, if money isnt an issue, then hell yes, one place can have everything you'd need.

[defiancy]

Originally Posted by Shpyder

Frankly, SBR and RRE are just two of the several respected 4g63 performance shops out there, that can build you a race car from the ground up, if you leave it with them long enough and have the money, and there are others out there. That means, they can have the long block squared away, and turbo stuff done with all supporting mods (FMIC, DSMLink, EBC, fuel, blah blah). You'll want to get Shep or TRE to make you a nice tranny for the power levels youre looking at, and have it shipped to wherever your car is being built.

I think it's a good idea to have as much stuff done in one shop, rather than do a runaround, especially if the shop is one that specializes in just DSMs. The guys at RRE and SBR know these cars inside out, and can help you out along the upgrade routine without you ever having to search a single forum (reccommended for those who don't want to learn and just want the goodies in already! lol). I always do a runaround as far as parts are concerned, and it saves me a lot of money (EBay, local message boards, DSMTuner classifieds, etc). I just picked up a brand new boxed Profec B Spec II and a wireless GReddy switch for $220. But I'd rather have one place install it, because then, they are responsible for everything that is being done, and can't shift blames to other installers if something goes wrong.

I purchased a used short-block on EBay, being sold by SBR, and used by SBR. Instead of them having to ship bits and pieces here and there, I asked them to add a race head, and a 6-bolt swap kit, and then ship me the entire thing, so all my mechanic has to do is throw the engine in, without having to worry about figuring the 1G CAS wiring out, and a host of other issues. DSMs are different (I know everyone says that about their own cars, but no seriously, our cars are like retarded different ). You want to keep your car away from the generic "Blu Neonz Performance Club" shops, and have places like RRE and SBR work on your car as much as you can. There's a great comfort in the knowledge that your car is being worked on by people who have tested, maintained, and upgraded virtually every part of a DSM.

In summary, if money isnt an issue, then hell yes, one place can have everything you'd need.

I am about to sell my mustang and get some cash for it, I was thinking of doing the 6bolt swap. And since we live in the same area, I am curious as to what mechanic you are using. Since you obviously trust him enough to do that. I don't really know any mechanic in the area I would trust enough to do the swap.

[Shpyder]

I would be cautious as how to define the word "swap".

The engine has been shipped (as of yesterday) as a complete 6-bolt crate motor, with the 2G swap kit already intalled. Hence all my mechanic will do, is trim the motor mount and plop that thing right in. So, SBR did all the technical work as far as a proper "swap" means. I'll PM you.

[importaudihaus]

you say the word "roughly" way to much. if you think you can make the swap happen, you will do it. if you are looking to use the 3000gt tt engine in a project car, try putting it in a galant. thats where those engines belong in other non-smog countries.