Speed channel...

[driftking777]

oh i forgot to add...another reason why Nascars handle so well is alot to do with the fact that they have hella down force...downforce is easy to correct...big tires also help this...

[nissanfanatic]

NTM you can't even stand on thier banked turns. Only Nascar race I like to watch is Sears Point.

nascar sets rules to keep it competitive, you know what you just can't please people, in F1 when one person is real good and whips everyone's ass everytime by a mile nobody likes it, they call it boring, then somebody tries to make it halfway even so its always a good battle, people say it sucks because there are rules.

I say that is called "Someone being good," AKA he practiced more than anyone else making him better. Wow, to punish him for mastering his trade? That sounds like the opinion of a sore loser to me...

a nascar will smoke the living SHIT out of a s13, s14, or s15 JGTC car... since it would only be making 300 or 500hp, the first straightaway the nascar would leave it in the dust...

Your right.

And I'm with Driftking on this. Except I'm sure I would find a couple full interior cars that could.lol

Lets not forget the definition of racing either:

Race-n. A competition of speed, as in running or riding.

v. raced, rac·ing, rac·es v. tr. -To compete against in a race.

So nowhere in there does it include the ability to perform the same feats. Only does it mention the simple answer of "Who goes the fastest," In no place does it state "with what amount of money," "For how long," "In what temperature," ect ect. Variables, yes. Should they be equal, yes. Can they be? No. So, uh, its who goes the fastest despite anything else. Real racing.

[R.W.240]

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

a nascar will smoke the living SHIT out of a s13, s14, or s15 JGTC car... since it would only be making 300 or 500hp, the first straightaway the nascar would leave it in the dust..



tell me Im wrong...

Since you insist on arguing about entirely differnent cars for entirely differnent types of racing. Yes on a Banked Track Power would prevail. however on the JGTCs home turf it would demolish. Last I checked Stock Cars Pull .84Gs when the track isnt banked... even if thats wrong they certainly dont do 2-2.5Gs that JGTC cars do. "its like comparing a Suburban to a Ferrari"

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

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what I mean by high-tech suspension and rear-end is the technolgy of the materials and craftsmanship. I guess you would really have to work on those kinds of things to truly grasp the concept of how much better it is then your average street modified car.

Fuck you Tranny boy... just because your the hot shit at your daddys repair shop doesnt mean your the endall in driveline tech. SOLID AXLES ARE NOT HIGH TECH EVEN IF THEY ARE MADE OF UNOBTANIUM. I never called it "old". age is irrelevant. you said it was high tech... Also last I checked the Rearends were plain old Chromoly and Aluminum... that makes the only thing left to be hightech the suspension geometery. but theres only so much you can do with 10 mounting points that hasnt been done in the last 60yrs.

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

how is a panhard bar old technology? so is double a-arm suspension, macpherson strut, or tension bars, or leaf springs... they have all been out for decades... about the only major suspension design changes lately are with Monster Trucks, they have to deal with a totally different spectrum of performance..

I never called it "old". age is irrelevant. you said it was high tech... Carbon Joints are Hightech - Heims Are Not, IRS is Relatively High Tech - Solid Axles are not

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

nascar sets rules to keep it competitive, you know what you just can't please people, in F1 when one person is real good and whips everyone's ass everytime by a mile nobody likes it, they call it boring, then somebody tries to make it halfway even so its always a good battle, people say it sucks because there are rules...

But there were rules to begin with. why do they have to limit the First Place car just so Earl's shitty team can compete. F1 is a technology exposition - Meaning F1 is what you wacth to see the best of the best and I dont like seeing restircitons on technology just so some team thats not bringing much to the table can compete to make the Fans Feel all warm and Fuzzy. Perhaps thats short sighted but I think it will work itself out in the long run.

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

the money spent and work gone into exploiting those rules is technology, even if they aren't working on a space shape or a F1 car. Like I said, if it was so easy to win and all the same old lame shit that everyone knows for 50 years, there would be a lot more small timers out there.

So if its a choice between lame technology with lots of competition or a porno for Engineers with a dominant winner I choose the Porno. Its also for the most part why I'm Capitolist. I belive that people should have to work to be competitive not recieve handouts or breaks from a sanctioning body.

[R.W.240]

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

"no thats the exact point, you can run things that work, they just have rules that generalize things, you must weigh this, be this tall, have this big of a spoiler, this much displacement, this carb, this roll cage. You take those parts and make them better. Not every car in nascar is the EXACT same, they are different. When michael Schumaker was kicking everyone's ass in F1 a hige majority of the fans that I've seen disliked F1 at that point, thought it was stupid because Schumaker always won, and was going to win, so it took away the fun from it for them, there was no more competitiveness. There were LOTS of people with that opinion.

BTW a street car with a roll cage is still not even close to a tube frame chassis car. Especially when your stating off with a unibody car and adding the cage, a full framed car would be a better starting point for that, as you could tie the cage into the frame and gut the body easier without taking away structural integrity.

I think your glossing over how strict the rules are. its not your car can be this tall or wide its "your car must fit in this template within 1/2in besides two small patches on the front bumper"

There will always be a dominate winner in any form of racing but only for a time. Case in Point - Mario Andretti - he kicked ass at whatever he did untill people figured out how to beat him and then he would place 12th on a good day. the same thing is happening to shumacher (Rules havent slown him down much yet) its just the way it works. A racer will be ahead of the curve and eventually people will copy him to where hes no longer the best of the best and if you have rules that impede this the sport will stagnate (Nascar)

[240SXSlideStar]

It's only popular in the south because people have nothing else to watch down there.

[orestes]

no its popular everywhere but its still lame. at sear's point/infineon when they had nascar the whole damn thing was over-full. that never happens at anything else they have like 3/4 of the stands closed off. people love nascar i will never understand why.

[slideways...]

when its all you're exposed to, thats the only thing people will love. if JGTC(style) racing had started in, say 1990 here in the u.s., and television and other media gave it as much coverage as nascar, id bet 10000000$ that nascar would be a forgotten and hated thing



oh btw sr20detpower, i said your wrong only cuz you told me to lol and because its funny when you get all pissed off and defensive about some opinion that other people might not share

[R.W.240]

Originally Posted by slideways...

when its all you're exposed to, thats the only thing people will love. if JGTC(style) racing had started in, say 1990 here in the u.s., and television and other media gave it as much coverage as nascar, id bet 10000000$ that nascar would be a forgotten and hated thing

Doubt it... people who watch stock car racing do it for A) The Crashes and B) The Tradition. Back in the day I would go so far as to call Nascar cool - with cars that were actually driven off the street or otherwise a car that was not resembeled the car it was run as.

Now its all Tube Frame Bullshit with a Template for Body Size, V6s changing to V8s, FWD changing to RWD. 5spd Autos changing to 4spd Manuals.

Weaksauce

"so you really think a 300hp s13, 14, 15 jgtc would smoke a 700hp+ nascar on say a track like Atlanta? im just trying to grasp how out of touch with reality you are and also how one sided you are as well."

Soo SR20DETPower do you really think a stocker would smoke a JGTC car on a Track like... Mid Ohio. Im just trying to grasp how out of touch with reality you are and also how one sided you are as well.

Pull your head out the Vacuum toolbag... every car has something its built to do.

[240SXSlideStar]

Alot of people who watch Nascar wouldn't watch JGTC because the drivers aren't white southern baptists.

[monooxide]

The majority of Southern Baptists...like the actual churches that are like "Southern Baptist church of...." those are usually 100% black churches. Just FYI.

[R.W.240]

Originally Posted by monooxide

The majority of Southern Baptists...like the actual churches that are like "Southern Baptist church of...." those are usually 100% black churches. Just FYI.

HAHAHAHHAHAAHHA


Church of Old Fat Black Women yelling Halleuja and dancing >>> bone dry white church.

[Chuki_breath]

lets not forget that jgtc has rules too. They make some cars add more weight for being to fast over the rest, and let other cars shed weight.....

Oh well i dont really care. Nascar is a nascar style race. Jgtc is a jgtc style race. There two totally different types of racing with different rules.

I bet the st.louis cardinals can beat the miami dolphins in baseball. Hey they both play on grass, run, and catch balls. Right?? Right??

i bet a fan boat beats a top fuel boat in the everglades! Tell me im wrong.


I dont get why people even think of comparing the two. Is it because there both motorsports?? Well duhhh, but there totally different.

Back to topic yes, they show to much damn nascar on speedvision.

[nissanfanatic]

Now you are basing it on religion?!?!?!?!? OMGJIHADONJOOMONOBINLADENKILLZZZZJOOO!!!!!11111111 111

lol jk

Just for example, look at the "related links," JGTC has been mentioned in here a lot. But look what is in "related links," NASCAR....

This was what was in my "related links," box.

[Chuki_breath]

nascar its every where!!!!!!!!!! Im getting my NASCAR LOGO CAR RUGS today!!!!!!! yeee haaaawwww yippieee yawwwww. Now iv got to change the transmission on my house peace.

[XeVeNskyLiNE]

Originally Posted by R.W.240

HAHAHAHHAHAAHHA


Church of Old Fat Black Women yelling Halleuja and dancing >>> bone dry white church.

Church of Old Fat Black Women yelling Halleuja and dancing >>> any church


Baptist churches are INTENSE, almost near impossible to go to sleep in one of those, haha.