300z tt vs. sti

[xXxRocker5150]

I agree with everyone here (cept mr teg)... also create less drag with a z than with a sti, I mean come on now, that's like asking which is more aerodynamical, a missile or a refrigerator.

[nastyNater]

STi=3250ish vs 300Z=3600.......my bad about the "clunker" comment. it was uncalled for...but still the STi is a little lighter...a little

oh yeah what is z32?

[nastyNater]

Originally Posted by freakonaleash1187

but you have to remember, the sti has 10 years of the Z. plus, put a couple mods on the Z and it is a whole lot faster straight-line.

No flame war here guys
.....I was just wondering why you compare stock vs modded...of course if you modd the 300Z its gonna run w/ the STi .....apples vs oranges?

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by nastyNater

STi=3250ish vs 300Z=3600.......my bad about the "clunker" comment. it was uncalled for...but still the STi is a little lighter...a little

oh yeah what is z32?

Z32 = 1990-1996 Nissan 300zx (US Spec) / 1989-1999 Nissan 300ZX (J Spec)

Z32 refers simply to the chassis code.

oh and the Nissan 300ZXTT only weighs in at 3300lbs also.

the STI is quicker because it has a tad more torque in stock form and it has AWD. beings it can get ahead so far, i dont think the Z32TT stands a chance unless on a highway roll. i think it will take the Z32 until 120mph+ to start catching ground from a dead stop.

[freakonaleash1187]

with the mods comment, i was just saying that a TTZ responds to mods very well, a stage III TTZ can run low 13s - high 12s. like k3 said, the biggest thing that the sti has against the Z is awd. the sti will demolish the Z on launch, Z's are a bitch to launch. but after launch, the Z will slowly start to catch back up.

[nastyNater]

you mean stock against stock right. you can push STi's into 11's no problem and still drive daily....bit more cash than a 300Z though...

[kfoote]

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Having driven both, the 300ZXTT is a much more comfortable daily driver than the STi. It had good power, and the practicality of a hatchback has some benefits over the STi. In ideal conditions, the 300ZX would make a better commuter car. Top speed is also higher, as the STi is gear limited to about 165, and has les overall drag.

In all other aspects, the STi is superior.

The 300ZXTT was a very good car for its time. The problem is that it's being compared to the STi, which is also a very good car for its time, and its time is 15 years newer. Automotive technology progressed a lot from 1989 to 2004.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by kfoote

Automotive technology progressed a lot from 1989 to 2004.

i dont see what the STI offers that is so technologically advanced over the 300zxTT.

-300hp Twin Turbo DOHC Twin Cam Engine w/ VVT= 300zx
-300hp Turbo Boxer engine = STI

so where is all of this techonolgy? its definitely not in the interior, gadgets, and doo-dads because the 300zx has the STI destroyed there as the STI comes pretty optionless. Does it even offer climate control? this is the kind of stuff that makes the STI cost a little over $30k brand new in 2004+ and the 300zxTT $45k+ brand new in 1990.

[xXxRocker5150]

aren't the gears a bit shorter on an STi too??? b/c that could have alot to do with it winning up until a certain point... correct?

[3kgt222]

sti win....but freeway there about the same cuz my friend raced one(drive sti) vs an guy he know(300zxTT) I WAS THERE with my slow ass 3000gt. But too me i like 300zx better dont really like sti THEY ARE SEDEAN and look ulgy....but a demon beast killer.

[TatII]

hmmm technology wise

Brake:
STi = Brembo

300ZX = under sized nissan 4 piston calipers f and 2 piston r

advantage STi

interior:
STi = recaro seats, momo steering wheel, driver adjustable headlight height, climate control ( analog style but still has temperature sensor and auto mode along with temperature settings ), LED cluster with center mounted tach with adjustable blinking and beeping shift light. and still has cruise control, and also has HIDs

300ZX = leather seats, digital climate control. cruise control. regular halogen projector headlights

advantage STi

drive train and suspension

STi = turbo boxer 4 cylinder with variable cam timing. intercooler sprayer, 6 speed tranny, driver controllable electronic center differential.

300ZX = twin turbo v6 with variable cam timing, driver adjustable suspension, hicas steering. 5 speed tranny.

advantage is about Tied depending on what you view as more important. but i think the 6 speed alone is something that the Z lacks. i even didn't mention that hte Z uses a viscous lsd while the STi uses a clutch type in the rear.

as you can see the STi is not as spartan as you think either.

[nastyNater]

i thought STi had viscous in both front and rear? or is that normal WRX

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by TatII

300ZX = under sized nissan 4 piston calipers f and 2 piston r

so very true!!! *Takes a look to the left and nods gratefully at my big brake kit that is waiting to be installed.*

interior:
STi = recaro seats, momo steering wheel, driver adjustable headlight height, climate control ( analog style but still has temperature sensor and auto mode along with temperature settings ), LED cluster with center mounted tach with adjustable blinking and beeping shift light. and still has cruise control, and also has HIDs

-the 300zx headlights are also feature adjustable height.
-i wouldnt call recaro seats and a momo steering wheel technologically advanced. just features that add to the 'tunerness' of the car.
-ill take my stock 300zx racing buckets wrapped in leather over the STI recaros any day of the week.
-LED's and HID is where the STI has the 300zx beat...even the 99' J-spec model only came qith Zenon Projectors.

advantage is about Tied depending on what you view as more important. but i think the 6 speed alone is something that the Z lacks. i even didn't mention that hte Z uses a viscous lsd while the STi uses a clutch type in the rear.

people complain about the Z not offering a 6-speed but NIssan had no use. it is still a high 13 second car without the extra gear and gearing limits it to 200mph+. its not really something to complain about if you sit down and look at the specs.


reguardless, like you said, both cars lack something the other one offers. HID and LED's are the Z's only real technological disadvantage due to it not really being introduced when the car was made. teh Z was built to fit the high end Grand Touring, high speed cruising but still in complete comfort...while the STI is built to fit that younger crowd wanting tunerish styling from the factory.

BTW: if i were to spend $30k+ on a brand new car, the STI would be the one. they are so much fun...but then again, i would probably be scouting for a used M3 if i had $30k.

[kfoote]

As has been mentioned, the differential setup of the STi is where most of the techology is. There is some in the engine internals, as materials technology and coatings have become vastly improved in the last 15 years, allowing higher compression ratios to be used more reliably now than 15 yars ago. Brake technology has improved greatly, and tire technolgy has improved so that 17" wheels can be designed for to allow bigger brakes that the 16" wheels that came stock on the 300ZXTT. This also allows for more prescise suspension control.

Also, for 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times, the numbers are artificially high on the STi because an extra shift is required in both cases over virtually every other car on the market. Where the transmission and diffs make the bigger difference is on a road course more than in a straight line.

The basic engine design is not where all the advantages have come from. It's 15 years worth of refinement on that engine design.

Look at it this way: How much better is the Nissan 350Z than the non-turbo Z32 Nissan 300ZX? That gives a good idea of what 15 years of technological improvement can get you.

[nastyNater]

STi owns 350Z IMo though....espescially for the price.