An Aussie defense

[MrPbody]

I figured to get a rise out of you. No one but you has stooped to name-calling. A '72 GTO, while it most certainly IS considered a GTO by most, is nothing more than an option package on LeMans, as it was in '65. In '64, it was a Tempest. It became a true model in '66 and that ended in '71. You already said in another post, you knew that.

And now, you're spouting BS from a Jeg's catelog of all places. Like they have a clue... Look, dude, you're in over your head. Regardless of what you THINK, you are voicing ONLY an opinioin, based on emotional response to something that isn't what you expected (new GTO). A very smart old man once told me: "Hope for the best. Expect the worst. You'll never be disappointed". I don't see ANY Mustang in it at all, but I DO see a significant amount of Cavelier/Sunfire. Probably more the former. It's quite a bit larger, and again, regardless of your opinion, and that of the "bandwagoneers", GTO is accepted by the GTO community as a whole. Now, if you're 47 years old or older, you MIGHT have a chance of claiming rights to being part of that "community". (the age is a "line in the sand" when one was old enough to actually BUY a GTO new) I was THERE at Norwalk. I HEARD all the comments. ONLY the "show car" people bad-mouthed it. They are the "bandwagoneers" I speak of. Those of us that have been hammerin' out stock Pontiac parts to TRY to stay competitive during the great parts blight that lasted 25 years, are in agreement. The new car does the name justice. You don't have to agree. It's okay. I'm not calling you names because of it.

So, if GM does NOT call it a Chevy engine, but Jeg's does, I guess it is... You really need to get a grip. You take this stuff entirely too seriously. It's only a car, for crissake...

[rzkz8k]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

Heres an orignal 1972 GTO add if you don't trust me..

Isn't that a 1971 GTO? The 1972 Goats had vertical spacers in the scoopes.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

Did you see the 2 seater by Saturn?Do you know if it's on the same platform as the 2 seater Pontiac comming out?

The 2007 Saturn Sky uses the same chassis as the 2006 Pontiac Solstice. The Sky will have more standard features though.

"No one but you has stooped to name-calling"

I'm not calling anybody names?

I really dont think you were trying to get a rise out of me MrP, a while back we had an arguement about what a 72 looked like, it was a while back and my history gos only back so far in the fourm, but I will find it.

You do not know your ( I really dont know my 64-65s well) GTOs and you tell me you have the right to say what belongs and what dosnt?? Sir you do not know your GTOs and you say
you have "claiming rights to being part of that "community"????

As far as my GTO, no it's not all GTO but it's body and frame and choice parts are, was it a "package" yes, but like I was not sure of, the first GTO was also, is it less a GTO? Thats a good question, for what the car lacks in orignal parts it makes up by Legend, or at least I would hope so. If you have any dought I have the orignal window sticker, it's very yellow, but it's true Pontiac Blue.

It seems that it's your word vs a well known parts book and maybe the best known mag in the world, on top of that the people Air Flow research are calling the heads that they make SBC for the Ls engine.

So it's your word or "wants" VS written.... You have a hill to climb.

So now you tell me that the new GTO was well recived at Norwalk...... I have been to Norwalk it it's full of die hard Pontiac people and I would bet that the people you say said they loved the ugly bastard were the drivers of the cars and the firends, and the made up ones.

Again I say, if you had a GTO and seen GM bring in an import with a chevy engine (or a non pontiac under 389 cubes) would you welcome this bastard to the flock? Hell no, you know if it looked like the other GTO cooncepts from the 90's I would only have one thing to show the light to people about.




Putting away you hate for me, look at these pictures and tell me it looks nothing like the mustang, COME ON!

You dont speak for the "whole" of the Pontiac people. I cant find anybody that dose not have a problem with the car, be it chevy powered or being ugly to be an importing job killer.

Deloren did not like this car, I have a HPP interview where he was asked about the new GTO and if he liked it, he only talked about how he liked the suspension, and ended it...
Even the GTOs dady dont like it....But you like it and now everybody should because you lived during the times.

I would like to think that I can speak for the GTO because with my 2 hands rebuilt a GTO from the Ground Up, can I speak for everyone no, and I cant and will not, but I can speak for myself a 31 year old that will run with the PMD flag..

Your not running with a PMD flag your running with a "they dont make it anymore so it's ok to make a bastard" flag.

Originally Posted by rzkz8k

Isn't that a 1971 GTO? The 1972 Goats had vertical spacers in the scoopes.

The hood is a VFN fiberglass/carbon fiber unit, it comes with the scoops uncut, so I opened them up, I hate fake scoops. Anyhow the scoops are the same for 71 and 72, nothing is different between the cars except in 72 the bumper grills went "deep" and 71 was flush with a differnt grill, they call my grill "egg crate".

I think the 71 grills are more areo dynamic because they are flush, but for looks I like the 72, it looks more "I'm going to suck your car up"..

The other is the side air extractors that help cool the engine as well and push out "air build up" under the front tires. They work, but the screens were missing, on top of that I have about 20 hours a side sanding and polishing them, seems that some dork took a wire brush to that soft alum. as I sanded them they started to shine, so I bought a dremle and worked it untill I was useing glass scratch remover paste, it's the only part on the GTO that I will say looks the best.

When I put this car together I was going for a lighter weight, the 72 LeMans is much lighter then the GTO because of the endura bumper I think I have a video, yep I just uploaded it , you can see it here http://www.geocities.com/ramairgto72/POST/index.html this bumper also has the same drop back as my grill.

I'm not sure about the tail lights in 71 GTOs I do know that the 72 GTO tail lights have "fins", I like the smooth that are on LeMans, but right now I have one of each, since the car is in another state I have not worked on it, or bought many parts for it, I did get the correct chrome crosses for the turn signals
and I also got a center console, but not sure how well it's going to work with my B&M shifter, but I think it will look better then it does now, on top of that it will give me a place for my fan switches and such.

What alot of people dont know is that all GM A bodies in 72 should have looked like 73

A strike at the GM plants delayed the new tooling, so you got 3 years of the same body.

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

The 2007 Saturn Sky uses the same chassis as the 2006 Pontiac Solstice. The Sky will have more standard features though.

Do you think that the engine power numbers will be higher for the Pontiac?

I was hopeing that this would have been a Pontiac only idea, now who knows Chevy may jump on it.

I think it's an OK looking car, the price is going to be lower then say the 2 seater BMW, I think that it will sell ..

[MrPbody]

Okay, you win.

[rzkz8k]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

... tell me it looks nothing like the mustang ...

This is the first time I've seen the GTO style compared to a stang, everyone else compares the GTO to a Calviler.

To me, most of the later automotive designs have that European look to them.

Now a days, it seems you need to start comparing by looking under the hoods.

I remember tracing the 63 and up Pontiacs from MT back in the old days when brands had unique styling, I wish the designers would go back to that era of designing.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

Do you think that the engine power numbers will be higher for the Pontiac?

I was hopeing that this would have been a Pontiac only idea, now who knows Chevy may jump on it.

I think it's an OK looking car, the price is going to be lower then say the 2 seater BMW, I think that it will sell ..

Both cars will have a 2.4 liter I-4 with 177 hp, but a supercharged or turbocharged I-4 might come for the 2007 Solstice. There are spy pictures of a Solstice's engine bay with some engine work floating around the web. The Saturn Sky will weigh more with its extra standard features.

The BMW Z4 does cost more at around $35,000.

[rzkz8k]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

Both cars will have a 2.4 liter I-4 with 177 hp, but a supercharged or turbocharged I-4 might come for the 2007 Solstice.

How about a Solstice with an LS2!

http://www.mallettcars.com/news-5-26-05-v8solstice.htm

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

Again I say, if you had a GTO and seen GM bring in an import with a chevy engine (or a non pontiac under 389 cubes) would you welcome this bastard to the flock? Hell no, you know if it looked like the other GTO cooncepts from the 90's I would only have one thing to show the light to people about.

This is nothing short of ignorant bigotry.
If you want to be a bigot go somewhere else.