What the heck is going on !?!?

[LandoAWD]

Being a moderator on a technical forum has nothing to do with business practices. Charachter is important, but unless the ethical issues are in regards to AF, what they do is their own business.

I fucked my wife in the ass a few times, which is highly illegal in NC, but I haven't been banned from a forum because of it.

Tell me to leave? Please.

Hell, I just posted a few times in the last couple of months due to the overwhelming influx of idiots.

My point is, this is not a business based forum, it is a tech resource. Put a warning in their sig not to deal with them and lock the signature.

Now, you have elimiated two people who know their tech and left a shit-ton of ricers, and assholes.

[FormulaLT1]

I asked nicely to watch the language and not over react, I don't know how it has been around here but I wouldn't tolerate that in any other forum and will not here, why be so disrespectful and be so vulgar on a open forum. Use your head man. Bans up in 3 days. Come back with a better attitude or feel free to join joewagon either way I don't care.

[FormulaLT1]

Also in regards to your comments about his character but who cares about ethics. How can you be viewed as a upstanding individual if you have no ethics?. Answer cause you can't answer is you can't.

Also how can you represent this forum as a moderator/forum leader when you can't be trusted?

How does that reflect on AF when the moderators are taking money from the members and reportedly not providing the goods?.

Now, having said that. Jake has not been proven guilty of any of these things but if he can provide proof or explanation that proves that there was no wrong doing, He will be back with all his stars lit up, until that happens he is not banned but will not be a moderator here and Joewagon was never in danger of losing his mod status until he went to all lengths to get himself not only demodded but banned as well.

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by LandoAWD

Now, you have elimiated two people who know their tech and left a shit-ton of ricers, and assholes.

Because Jake was obviously a good guy


People come and go on this site, i'm sure there will be plenty of more people who come here who "know their tech". Losing Joe and possibly Jake wont be the doom of the Eclipse forums. Two more highly knowledgeable resources will join, we have enough people in here anyway who know their stuff. And i might not know all the ins and outs of these engines and their quirks yet, but i'm pretty good with technical problems, and i'll help as much as i can.

[spyderturbo007]

Edited: I dont think there's a need for you to reinstate this anymore than you already have.

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by FormulaLT1

Please watch your language

Addressed

Originally Posted by LandoAWD

Tell me to leave? Please.

Hell, I just posted a few times in the last couple of months due to the overwhelming influx of idiots.
Now, you have elimiated two people who know their tech and left a shit-ton of ricers, and assholes.

He asked me to and obviously thinks very higly of you guys too not to mention his very polite emails but don't worry I will miss him now, he actually gave me a couple of good chuckles

Edit- PS- Joewagon did that to your stickys and I offered to re-enstate them as soon as someone can point out what they want stickied.

[FormulaLT1]

Feel free to go threw my posts. Look at the context on which they were made and I feel comfortable in my posts. I never talked up F**King someone up the a** or called this site members a**hole. You find that and I will unban him.

[spyderturbo007]

Now you are splitting hairs.

On the first 2 pages of your posts, which is as far as I went, there were references to migdet porn, lesbian sluts, ass hats and saggy boobies.

This doesn't include the thousands of posts I can't go through because I am limited to 100 most recent posts.

LandoAWD used asshole instead of ass hat and dropped the F-bomb.

Ok, his asshole comment was directed to some members....your ass hat comment was directed to a member.

There seems to be a large amount of hypocrisy going on here.

Go through anyone's posts and you will find swear words, vulgar comments, etc. I am saying that, there was no reason to ban LandoAWD for what was said. He is a knowledgable memeber and should not have been banned for his comments.

[Right Said Fred]

This site is horrible anyways. It's the grade school for car repair.

The average member is younger then my ECU in my car.

[FormulaLT1]

He asked me to ban him cause we are all assholes. He then makes reference to ******** his wife ** her ***. Do I really need to explain why that is vulgar and not used in a bantering nature?. I am not on trial here and I asked to please keep this thread respectful and civil. There is already alot of tension in here and we don't need comments like his not to mention his emails to me. I stand behind my position. If he would like to make a apology. I would be more than happy to reconsider but that aint going to happen. So whats done is done. Lets move on.

[96spyderman]

All I have to say is WOW...
This has really escalated into something more than I ever intended. It is really to bad that joe was banned because he was quite knowledgeable and so is jake!!
I have been trying to get ahold of jake to work out a deal that would benefit both of us. He hasn't called me back, but hopefully he will.
I think LANDO was a little out of line.
I just posted recently that freedom of speech is a right and responsibility to have BUT not abused.
It is a right that our forefathers fought for and i'm sure they would kick some of us in the ass if they saw how some people in the US abuse that right.
Last thing I have to add is that yes there is always going to be old people leaving for whatever reason and new people coming in to our group... that's life... deal with it. (there's my use of F.O.S.)

[Shpyder]

This is really, really sad. A few mods seem to be on a power trip, banning the few people who make this forum worth visiting. Moderators who are not frequent visitors on our Eclipse/Talon/Laser forum do no understand how things are run here, and what the norm is. Granted, Joe didn't do the smartest thing, but he was an excellent moderator who answered many of the toughest questions I had. JoeWagon, Kevin, Jake and Lando were the four main people you would hope answered your thread regarding tech questions.

As for the vulgarity issue, I too see slight hypocrisy, and one strange excuse to ban the most knowledgable DSMers around (we are not in Kindergarten anymore, Mr.FormulaLT1).

As a frequent member of this forum, I would rather have a few guys say things like, "fuck" and "asshole" to appease their testosterone, and have my technical questions answered, than have a useless forum where people don't know what they are doing.

FormulaLT1, I suggest you consider un-banning the people who make this forum the excellent resource that it has been since the past few years, and understand how things work here. You could chose to ignore me, but the only thing that will do, is decrease AFF traffic, and redirect many of its faithful members to see other forums. I say this as someone who has had his homepage set on here since the day I joined, over a year ago.

[tr10av]

I saw the Joe had posted that Jake had lost over $3k in the process of getting the car all together. How is this possible, when the car was so beat up? It probably cost $2k for the car so that leaves him with $7k to fix it up. I doubt that he put $10k worth of parts in it.

[FormulaLT1]

I banned one member not the whole forum and he did use the word fuck and shit and ass after I asked to please not use that type of language (in this thread!) he asked to be banned. Anyone that can't remain civil and be patient til things work out. Feel free to leave. I am not here to take over the forum. I am asking you to remain civil til your new mod has been appointed. I will not tolerate the type of behavior that Lando was directing towards AF, sorry but thats the way things are and the part of the user agreement you clicked on when you signed up for a AF account. Joewagon asked for the exact actions that happen to him and is the one that messed up the sticky's and Jake is not banned and can post in any forums but is not currently a mod for the time being. Ease up guys.

[l_eclipse_l]

I had a feeling that Joe was frustrated with the way things were going about, but never thought he would do something that would put this forum behind like deleting the stickies. Pretty selfish. I don't really know how we can get them back if nobody can access them.

I don't think that we necessarily need moderators that are tech guru's and know the answer to every question. We just need somebody that will keep the forum looking good, sticky stuff that is important, and keep people in line. Then the people that do know their shit have more time to post their knowledge, and won't get fed up with the BS of being a mod and having to regulate.

This has been building for awhile now, even before 96spyderman's posts. I could see a change coming, but nothing this drastic. I was away for a day, and the whole forum went upside down. It was probably for the better though, after it gets straightened out things will go back to normal. Keep the peace until then guys.