Unknown F1 from Malmo, Sweden...

[teflon]

Originally Posted by F1 monster

Was the golf course in Sweden?

Yes. I'm waiting for him to either return my call or email me to tell me the name of the course.

Greg A

[F1 monster]

I just wanted to confirm that the sighting was in Sweden. Thanks.

[Joey Stockholm]

Hello! I just posted a thread about that car, i didnt notice that u already started one. Its owned by a lord in stockholm named Claes Wachtmeister.

[Monty Kernow]

Originally Posted by Jota 5084

This famus F1 is also in Sweden , Tom Messiners
SA9AB5AC2S1048051 since 2000-04-08 but its not
inregistred for road use since 2003-12-16.
And guess what it has had 5 owners since it came to
Sweden. His other car is the showgirl SA9AB5CC6T1048R11,
in Sweden since 2003-06-27 and not in trafic since 2005-06-01.
I hope i gave you , Peloton25 and all other Macca lovers
some nice info.

Not been here in ages, so been catching up! I reckon the pic of the Orange GTR in Monaco is Mr Messiners. Bear with me as I explain. Its got the odd fins on the skirts. Also Monaco pic was taken in 2002, Tom's only entered Sweden in 2003. OK his is shown in other pics here with a roof air scoop, well thats removable. When it originally raced in the BPR it would sometimes appear with it. Finally when you compare the KS Autohandel showroom, Swedish track, Monaco pics and timelines it all adds up.

[MalkaJB]

Here are some new pics I found of #64: http://www.home.no/mrweizel/McLaren%20F1/

Like Captain Kangaroo said, "sharing is caring."

[bucciali]

Thanks MalkaJB!!

[cche2052]

Yeah thanks malkajb! Did you guys notice the red v12 etching on the steering wheel in the last shot? It isn't usually red, right?

[Peloton25]

I did spot that and the "F1/V12" logo in the center of the wheel is typically chrome. It could be a reflection as seen in this shot of #073:



>8^)
ER

[mini magic]

Just checking the AutoSalonSingen site and figgured i'd look at the F1 again and try and ID it. Suddeny, i realized something.... can anyone else spot it?

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/Katal...&languageID=GB


The likelyhood of this "option" being on more than 1 F1 is unlikely so i'm guessing the car above (Singen Car) is 064

Finally, one of the "Unknowns" can be put into the correct folder. Case closed IMO

[Peloton25]

Nice job Chris!

Now figure out what the other F1 was that they had. It appears it was dark silver. The pictures also look much older. I wonder if it could have been #045 before it came to the USA.

>8^)
ER

[mini magic]

Thanks. If i hadn't been looking through old threads today for my list, i would never have noticed that.

Do you know any of 045's history before coming to the US? How do we know its not 012 and the car in Japan isn't a repainted car? OR if 012 was in Europe before going to Japan, assuming the car in Japan is 012

Its all so complicated....but thats what makes it fun



Chris

[Peloton25]

I don't know any of #045's history before it came to the USA. I only know that Gerd Petrik was the one who imported it (and #067) through Fritz's Ameritech. Petrik is German, so there could be a link to AutoSalon there.

The Best Motoring video showing the Tag Heuer car was from Dec 1994 as I recall. I don't think McLaren was big on refits at that point, so I suspect that the color seen in the video was original. I thought the Tag car could have left Japan by now, but the recent photo bucialli found looks identical to it, and it just makes the most sense that it would still be over there.

Hopefully the bhop webmaster will be able to put that one to rest.

>8^)
ER

[F1 monster]

I have looked and looked...but I can't find anything unique. What is it you spotted?

[Peloton25]

The same F1/V12 logo on the center of the steering wheel is present in the AutoSalon photos.

>8^)
ER

[bucciali]

some more pics of 064