RX-7 FD vs. 300ZX TT vs. 3kGT VR4 vs. WRX

[aurdemus]

it will be so close between the rx7, 3000gt, and 300zx that it would probly depend on road conditions and driver

the wrx, and the mr2 for that matter, lack the power to do the 150-160mph speedes that would be reqired to hang with the rest for very long

to bad this poll is a little rice biased,id put my money on a porsche 968
and show you what a real sports car, from a real performance company can achieve

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by aurdemus
it will be so close between the rx7, 3000gt, and 300zx that it would probly depend on road conditions and driver

the wrx, and the mr2 for that matter, lack the power to do the 150-160mph speedes that would be reqired to hang with the rest for very long

to bad this poll is a little rice biased,id put my money on a porsche 968
and show you what a real sports car, from a real performance company can achieve

If you want to have have a poll with a porsche in it then create one.

But please bugger off with the rice bullshit. A car from Japan is not rice.














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[TatII]

sure a porsche 968 is faster then those cars, but how much more does it cost again? oh wait i should say how many more times does it cost again? and remember those japanese imports debuted more then 10 years ago. and they still have impressive performance numbers even today. now with a fair amount of cash, those japanese imports will rip your porsche a new asshole. but you would say well what if we mod that porsche as well. sure but once again, how much more are you payin for parts again? oh wait i should say how many more times are you payin for parts again?

[FC3S]

I vote for RX-7 for on track performances due to its all-rounder abilities; 50:50 handling, lightweight chassis, sequential twin turbos and good braking distances. It's hard to beat by the other cars on this poll on any given day. Since no stated year and version on the RX-7, I may assume as a 1993 RI or even the 1995 R2 models.

I personally do not agree that Mitsies and Subies are backmarkers. They are born race-purpose cars and they possess greater all-round abilities within the cars in this poll. With such prodigious cornering abilities (AWD, 50:50, flat-4 turbo and many more) it can pull more g's in corners than most the cars here means carry more speeds through the corners.

I'm not totally discounting 300zx TT, 3KGT VR4 and the MR-2 GT-S but seriously on any track, those 3 mentioned earlier are proven consistent track performers and not to mention having successful racing history.

If the 300zx and 3KGT VR4 are put into a drag races or long straights and high-speed corners circuit then it is to their advantage having higher top ends.

But a true track performance car is rated by its handling prowesses. Put all these cars to a long twisty circuit (short straights and many twisty turns), then u actually see which car is capable of using its power to the max resulting in the shortest lapping times.

I'm an ardent fan of best motoring, option and spec-r, one of the track test done in 2001 in tsukuba circuit, Japan with post-1998 280hp machines: R34 GT-R V-Spec I, NSX Type-R 3.5l VTEC V6, 1998 RX-7 Type RS, Toyota Altezza 280T, Lancer EVO 7 RS and Impreza WRX STi. The 5-lap result: 1. RX-7 2. NSX 3. GTR 4. EVO7 5. WRX 6. Altezza

[Moppie]

RX7 all the way. The winner of the last 3 Targa New Zealands has been a lightly modified RX7. And the field consisted of everything from R34 GTR N1's to GT3 Porsches.
They are heavily underated cars, but a little resurch into thier achivements shows that are really a super car in disguise.
Then the NSX, but only becasue its a little to civilised, then the 300zx and the 3000 I put in the same boat, thier a little to heavy for my taste, and the WRX bringing up the back of the field. Simple because all the other cars are purpose built sports cars, while the WRX is still a 4dr shopping cart underneath. They also have a very limited top speed, most of thier great performance comes from short gear ratios.

[YogsVR4]

Moppie - according to my brocures on my VR4s they are considering touring cars. Not sports cars. Just thought I'd let you know. I think that they are sports cars but its not what Mitsubishi (advertisement) put on it.













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[Moppie]

Originally posted by YogsVR4
Moppie - according to my brocures on my VR4s they are considering touring cars.

Orginal brocures are cool!
They'll be worth something in a few years.

And my diffintion of sports cars sort of includes many what would also call touring cars.

The 300zx and GTO/3000GT are I suppose Sports Touring cars.
While the RX7 is more a pure Sports car (but being Japanese has enough gadgets etc in it to make a touring sports car ) while the WRX is simply a very fast shopping cart.
The MR2 is probobly the closest to what I consider a pure sports car, but only becasue of its size and weight when compared to the others.
By British standards (the measure of any true sports car) its still a bit on the heavy and luxuries side.


For a long cross country flight I would have to choose between the GTO and the 300zx, and although both are awsome performers the GTO would probobly win out due to its awsome raod presance.

[CAptynCrunch]

Originally posted by Moppie
RX7 all the way. The winner of the last 3 Targa New Zealands has been a lightly modified RX7. And the field consisted of everything from R34 GTR N1's to GT3 Porsches.
They are heavily underated cars, but a little resurch into thier achivements shows that are really a super car in disguise.
Then the NSX, but only becasue its a little to civilised, then the 300zx and the 3000 I put in the same boat, thier a little to heavy for my taste, and the WRX bringing up the back of the field. Simple because all the other cars are purpose built sports cars, while the WRX is still a 4dr shopping cart underneath. They also have a very limited top speed, most of thier great performance comes from short gear ratios.

Ok, a little off-topic here.

Moppie by any chance do you have some links for a couple of good Targa Newzealand websites? We here in newfoundland just started our targa last year. It wasn't that spectacular but i guess it wasn't bad for the first year and all.

The website for Targa Newfoundland If you'd like to check it out is:

www.targanewfoundland.com

The main problem with our race was the drivers. The cars were great(althought there was one very tacky 6th gen civic with an essentially stock d16, a nitrous kit and a big aluminum wing from a local shop). We had the normal array of porsche's, 911's, 944's. An old celica from New Zealand, a cobra replicar, an old datsun or two.

Then there were the oddball entries, a new Jeep Grand Cheerokee(which actually took first in it's class) and even a Kia Rio from a local dealership.

As for big power vehicles there was the over all winner, a yellow mustang fastback with a boss 302 from either austrailia or new zealand. And an (at least apparently) full race spec Viper from a tuning shop in detroit. The worst part was the viper was one of the slowest entries. The guys just wouldn't push it.

I mean, we were keeping split times with our watches and we beat the viper by half a second almost in a mercury villager mini-van.

Oh well, hopefully that was just the jitters of the first year, this year should be better. And if not, then I'll just have to wait a few years until i can afford all the entry fees and win it myself

[Moppie]

www.targa.co.nz

A mate designed and built the site so if you find any errors Ill give him some shit.



The Targa NZ was a success from day one, and is now so big its getting a bit out of controll.
There were only 30sec gaps between the cars this year, and few of them hit each other.


I know the Yellow Mustang your thinking of, its an Aussie car and has been here many times, and its been beaten everytime

Im sure yours will attract better drivers as it goes along, the trick is in the marketing, and who the organiser knows and can convince to race.

[pitdogcaine]

i havn't heard of any problems with the all wheel steering in the 3000's. They should be # 2 behind the skyline for a touring car and their 1/4 mile times are usually around 13.5-13.7 for most of the guys ive seen.

[CAptynCrunch]

Thanks a lot Moppie.

I've got hopes for our targa since it's planned to continue until at least 2006(I'm aiming to win it in either 2005 or 2006 ). Also My cousin and I have a tradition of swiping a "course marshal" windbreaker from a volunteer each year to uphold .

As for the newzealand website it's much nicer then ours. I haven't found any errors but i did find a typo on the results page, not much but hey, I'm an anal kind of guy .

Well, thanks a lot. My sisters possibly going to austrailia or new zealand next fall to start her masters so I might just have to schedule my visit for when the targa is being run...and maybe see if theres anywhere I can rent myself an FC...

[VR6Turbo]

even if the 3kGT did 0-60 in 4.6 ( I dont know if i believe that), It weighs over 4000 lbs, and could not touch and RX-7 3rd Gen on a race track!
RX-7 is the clear winner on this one!

[GTPilot]

Originally posted by VR6Turbo
even if the 3kGT did 0-60 in 4.6 ( I dont know if i believe that), It weighs over 4000 lbs, and could not touch and RX-7 3rd Gen on a race track!
RX-7 is the clear winner on this one!

1997+ VR4s are weighting around 3750 lbs, instead 4000 lbs...Motor Trend had test times 0~60 @ 4.8 (http://www.stealth316.com/images/mt_5-97-p14.jpg) and 1/4 miles @ 13.6 (http://www.stealth316.com/images/mt_5-97-p15.jpg). I own a 97 VR4 myself, it sure feels hella fast, but I don't know about competing on a circuit though, that 4WS is sorta troublesome at lower speed cornering unless you have a JDM version of GTO MR, which is another couple hunder lbs. lighter..without the 4WS. I think either RX7 or MR2 will rock on the circuit... I've always wanted to get either one of those two...

[VR6Turbo]

damn, i didnt know they were that fast! i still think i would give it to the RX-7 though.

[Tekone]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


The Spyder traps in the high 13s but the 94+ VR4 are in the low to mid 13s . In fact the best bone stock time I've ever seen was a 13.08? wich was about as a perfect a run as you can get.

You ran a 13.08 in a bone stock VR4? Not calling BS on you, but that is the best time I have ever heard of in a newer 3000GT. Most 3000GT's I have ever seen run high 13's to low 14's and trap around 100-103 mph. Maybe you have a freak.

Lets look at the stats. VR4's weigh in at around 3,750 lbs. They have 320 hp., 315 lb/ft. of torque and AWD. They trap a little above a Mustang GT (100-103 seems to be average). Because of the AWD, the parasitic loss is going to be greater. VR4's put around 240-250 hp. to the pavement because of the AWD drivetrain loss.

Lets compare the VR4 to a LS1 f-body of course. Weighs in around 3,450 lbs. Has in reality 350 hp. and 335-340 lb/ft. of torque and RWD. Puts around 300-310 hp. to the ground.

Your saying your VR4 runs the same time as an LS1 f-body in the quarter mile while weighing ~300 lbs. more, having ~50 less hp. and ~30 less lb/ft. of torque completly stock? Yes, out of the hole, your car will rape just about anything, and I am willing to bet that you cut 1.6-1.7 short times consistently, but after 30 mph. or so, your AWD becomes a disadvantage due to it's weight. Your 60' times help your trap speed and E.T., but I have a hard time seeing how a car trapping ~102 mph. stock is running low 13's. LS1 f-bodies run low 13's stock trapping around 105-106 consistantly. That's around ~4 mph faster. In the 1/4th, that is alot.

Inquiring minds want to know how modded you car really is.