Honda Civic vs. C5 Vette

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by The DeViL
Don't give that Corvette guy an excuse. He lost because he spinned his tires way too much. The guy was an idiot, didn't know how to drive, and talked to much shit. He deserved everything that came to him, and what left him ($100 was it? haha fag).

You might be right. the civic guy said he vette guy did a major burnout which is pretty much the worst thing you can do when racing beside forgeting to start your engine.

[Bryan8412]

Originally posted by Moppie
This is just ignorant.


How many V8s do you know have a flat torque curve from 2,500rpm all the way to 8,000rpm? In fact how many V8s do you know that can even reach 8,000rpm?

ah hem.

http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/Chev...s/502hpek.html

not 8,000 but much better torque curve than a honda i can guaruntee that. And how many I4's can reach 8000 or above? The only one i know of in particular is the S2000. correct me if im wrong but the fact you classify all V8's in such a fashion is pretty ignorant in my opinion. I'm not bashing either way but i prefer V8 for cost/power ratios. I think you've been misinformed, check www.streetrodstuff.com and look at their big blocks, you might be surprised...

[DemonZX]

It all really depends on the tuning of the car. My car redlines at 7800 stock, with the chip, it removes the rev limiter. That takes it over 8.
So, it all depends on the tuning.

[Bryan8412]

hmm maybe i got my numbers wrong i was thinking that was a little high to be common on I4's or anything but i maybe wrong. but i stand behind my V8 defense; click the link and look at that torque curve, you cant beat that and V8s are much better in terms of cost/power ratio. i think a common problem is people think V8 is old technology. look at the new mopars, the statistics will surprise alot of hardcore-importers. and for the price, it is overpriced at the moment cause its been on back order for a year (yes it's that popular), and even still the cost to bring an import to that kind of preformance is much greater than the cost of that engine anyways, and it's "stock" so its much more reliable. I love imports and V8s one in the same, but i prefer V8s and when people bash them i get defensive so sorry if i offended any importers, i should have better clarified my last response.

[Moppie]

Did I ever bash V8s?

Please, There are certian laws of physics that you simply cannot over come. A V8 will always have more Torue and more Hp, and due to the incrediable popularity, large amount of parts sharing and unbeleivable production numbers they are often very very cheap to tune. (especialy the small block Chevy and Ford engines)
Especialy when you remember that most factory V8s are barly tuned to even a fraction of the level some factory 4cly engines are. How many factory V8s make 100per L? very few, why? Becuase they dont need to be tuned to that level of hp in a street car. (and it equires a lot more effort that it does in a 4cly) (and im talking factory prepared, street car engines here)


I was just frustrated with the continued ignorant belief that Honda engines, especialy the VTEC ones do not have any low down Torque.
Compared to a V8, no they dont. But then what small 4cly engine does?

I enjoy ringing a little 1600 I4 out to 8,000rpm just as much as I enjoy feeling the rush of power from a 5L V8 at only 4,000rpm.


And that V8 in the link might makes enormus amounts of Torque and hp, but it only does it accross a very small power band, about 2,500rpm.
My little DOHC VTEC altough it makes only about 20% as much torque, it does make at across 5,500rpm. Now if you can get your V8 to make 500lb/ft of torque accross 5,000rpm I will very very impressed.
But I will be more impressed if you can make a DOHC VTEC make 500lb/ft of torque. (because I know that will never happen!)
But then remember that the two engines belong in very differnt cars.






Now, then back to the Topic!
I always thought the Corvettes had pretty good handleing, which normaly also equaly good traction.
And most of the quoted 1/4 times for the vette were a good 1/2 a second quicker than the times claimed for the Civic.
So was the guy really just a bad driver, or was the civic a lot quicker than the guy said it was?

and remember the Vette was pretty much stock, while that Civic has had some serious money spent on it!

:smoker2:

[Bryan8412]

Originally posted by Moppie
Did I ever bash V8s?

Please, There are certian laws of physics that you simply cannot over come. A V8 will always have more Torue and more Hp, and due to the incrediable popularity, large amount of parts sharing and unbeleivable production numbers they are often very very cheap to tune. (especialy the small block Chevy and Ford engines)
Especialy when you remember that most factory V8s are barly tuned to even a fraction of the level some factory 4cly engines are. How many factory V8s make 100per L? very few, why? Becuase they dont need to be tuned to that level of hp in a street car. (and it equires a lot more effort that it does in a 4cly) (and im talking factory prepared, street car engines here)

I was just frustrated with the continued ignorant belief that Honda engines, especialy the VTEC ones do not have any low down Torque.
Compared to a V8, no they dont. But then what small 4cly engine does?

I enjoy ringing a little 1600 I4 out to 8,000rpm just as much as I enjoy feeling the rush of power from a 5L V8 at only 4,000rpm.

And that V8 in the link might makes enormus amounts of Torque and hp, but it only does it accross a very small power band, about 2,500rpm.
My little DOHC VTEC altough it makes only about 20% as much torque, it does make at across 5,500rpm. Now if you can get your V8 to make 500lb/ft of torque accross 5,000rpm I will very very impressed.
But I will be more impressed if you can make a DOHC VTEC make 500lb/ft of torque. (because I know that will never happen!)
But then remember that the two engines belong in very differnt cars.

Now, then back to the Topic!
I always thought the Corvettes had pretty good handleing, which normaly also equaly good traction.
And most of the quoted 1/4 times for the vette were a good 1/2 a second quicker than the times claimed for the Civic.
So was the guy really just a bad driver, or was the civic a lot quicker than the guy said it was?

and remember the Vette was pretty much stock, while that Civic has had some serious money spent on it!

:smoker2:

sorry it seemed as if you were bashing them with that comment, but yes i agree whole heartedly, and personally i cant wait for the day where valves are thrown electronically and intake/exhaust ports are flexible and vary depending on RPM, that day will be incredible: top torque all the way through. i hope to do work on such projects when i get my EE degree (the valve controls anyway)

as for the race, i read through it, the moron spun his tires. TWICE. first from stand still next from a slow roll. That's pretty sad, such a beatiful machine's power being wasted

[chebbiesux]

well, that's the problem with drag racing vette's ; they have very stiff suspension in order to handle on a race track, but that's the opposite of what you want in a drag race machine, at least a rear wheel drive one.
you want to have very very soft suspension so that all of the weight is put on the back wheels at launch. you want the front end to rise as much as possible and ass end to compress in order to get that weight there quickly.
also, the numbers for those vette's aren't quite exact.
i have spent countless hours at the race track and i have seen 2 12 second vettes and they weren't new and they weren't stock.
a new vette will run a mid 13, maybe, on a good day, if it hooks.
that civic was supposed to be a 12 second ride
i don't think the civic was any faster than he said it was, it's just that most of those vette owners have never seen the business side of a racetrack and assume their cars can do too much

[mikeowen]

well i give the civic all the credit. sure if you do the same level of work to the corvette it will be faster. but how much could he have spent on everything. i believe it was a greddy turbo kit. so say about 4 grand for that with intercooler and install. and then say another 1500 for any other work he might have had. add that to a 16,000$ si. and you have about half of what a vette costs.
thats not to say the vette isnt worth every lenny. it can run with some much more expensive cars and is a testament to how refining an old engine can sometimes be better than going with newer technology.

[GTS-4 Ben]

I think most v8 owners think that nothing can beat a v8, v8 is good and wont even listen if they are shown a car that may keep up..