Camaro Vs. 04 Cobra

[will69camaro]

I was talking about Vettes and cobras of the same year...I cant wait to see what the GT500 stang does...I have a couple friends that are on the list in my hometown area to own the first two in town...This could get interesting quick (one has a turbo 90 stang in the low 9s soon to be 8s and the other has a convertible 99 cobra in the 10s).

William

[Rally Sport]

I'd actually like to have one of those GT500s

[bag91]

I like to have a 97 SS and a 04 Cobra, but that's not going to happen.
If the Camaro's did compete with the 04 Cobra, GM would be competing with themselves with the Vette. Great two 12's cars, but ones 10,000 dollars cheaper. That's one thing the iroc was doing in my opinion What do the Zo6 do in the 1/4 mile?
Why would they make an SS if the Z28's are faster?
I don't think your right with that one...SS have to be faster.

[will69camaro]

SS was mainly an appearance package...Not faster. Z06's have been known to get into the high 11s stock...

That is part of the reason the camaro had such a problem selling, the Vette wasn't much more and the f-body was expensive.

William

[bag91]

I believe it's performance as well...

[bag91]

Just read up on it, SS has an extra 30 hp from CAI...your right, not really a diff. sorry

[will69camaro]

the hp increase was mainly GM trying to sell the car....There is very little changed and not much performance difference seen...

William

[LT1MAN]

i think the 03/04 cobra was going after the corvette z06 anyway, im not sure the price but im pretty sure its on up there in the corvette price range. but what is the cobra without the supercharger, nothing but another mustang. what about a z28 LS1 with a supercharger vs. supercharged cobra. no competition.

[Pewter'01SS]

But the LS1's have more displacement over the Mustangs (I think their 4.6L?) I have a feeling this will all play out with the new Z06's and the GT500's. They are going into a horsepower war with these two. Chevy still has to play it's trump card by bolting on a blower to the LS7 (which will be baaaaaad!) but Ford is already close to 500hp with much smaller displacement. I won't be ready to declare a winner till there both blown and over 400 c.i.

As far as the Z28 vs. SS thing, basically, the extra money went for a cool hood and spoiler. The SS could have been ordered with a few extra options (a different rear end, short throw, exhaust) but none of these make a big difference in performance numbers. I didn't buy mine because I thought it would beat everything else (just a love-at-first-sight thing). I think the #1 thing the SS has going for it is people just assume that they are way quicker.

[Mr. Luos]

Originally Posted by bag91

Why would they make an SS if the Z28's are faster?
I don't think your right with that one...SS have to be faster.

Trust me. I know these things.

SS = Z-28 when it comes to overall speed and straight line performance. Same motor, same transmissions.

[LT1MAN]

they rate the SS at more so they can make all the cars seem to be on a hyerarchy, v6-z28-SS-corvette-z06

its so they can sell them for more $$

its all marketing techniques, with the LS1 cars, nobody really knows what they make, cept Mr Luos, they rate them at 305 hp but they lay down close to that if not more bone stock. and they say that some LS1's are faster than others, which makes no sense to me might not be true i dont know, but basically GM knew that the LS1 camaro was faster than they wanted to sell it as being, so they underrated it so it wouldn't take away from the sale of corvettes which were only like 330 something or 350 hp i believe, around 1998, correct me if im wrong

but yeah its basically paying for a cool hood and a spoiler and wheels and a badge. the performance is the same, sometimes there are more restrictive parts on the z28 just to hold her down a little to make an SS look stronger (i.e. airbox, muffler, other stuff from SLP)

[Link85x]

Explains why the irocs were rated 10 less hp than the vettes back when both had the L98. Still using the same old techniques i guess.

[bag91]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

Trust me. I know these things.

SS = Z-28 when it comes to overall speed and straight line performance. Same motor, same transmissions.

Thanks for the insight, but that was already cleared up

[supercarvideos]

..Cant beat that IMO. I will someday own a mustang or two...it wont replace my camaro...But i will own one.
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I feel much like you William.... I think anti-Mustang and anti-Camaro talk is ignorance. There is things I like about the Camaro and things I like about the Mustang. Honestly, I probably like them about the same. I've owned 5.0 Mustangs in the past, I currently own two IROCs now....... and I'm looking for a '86-'88 Mustang GT or LX coupe 5.0 to add to my collection.

I favor mid to late 80s Mustang GTs and IROC Camaros, I guess because that is what was out when I was in high school and first getting into cars.... I'll never forget when I was 16 years old and a buddy of mine got a brand new 1987 Mustang GT (rich parents....bastard...LOL!!!!) man, I'll never forget the power that thing had as it pinned me to the seat as he was jamming the gears. Couldn't buy one then, but now I can. Actually I'm going to be selling my '87 5.7 TPI IROC and replacing it with a '86-'88 white with T-tops GT (if I can find one), I'm keeping my '90 G92 IROC 5-speed.... I'll never get rid of that baby.

~John

[Link85x]

Gotta love that G92, it was walking that LT1, pretty damn amazing for a 305. John, that white iroc is badass, one of kind.