Overreaction to a book

[Franko914]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Anyone who goes apeshit because of what someone does to a mass produced tome needs to be eliminated from the gene pool. Its virtually the same as the people who go nuts when someone burns a flag. They need to get off their fast track to stupidity and think about what it really is that they are upset about.

Many POWs clung to Old Glory as their source of strength for surviving captivity and torture. When they see "desecration" of the flag, they realy go nuts. I can understand why they go nuts, still, I agree with you that it's the ideal of freedom that is more important than a piece of fabric.

Who's more stupid: the folks who go nuts when someone burns a flag, or the one who burns a flag just to see some folks go nuts?

Why can't we all just get along?

[drewh4386]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Well if the world gets pissed off because a book may (or may not) have been flushed then I would say they are just looking for something to get pissed off about. They need to get over it.

Usually happens that way for anything.

People blow themselves up to prove points and take many other innocent people with them, but we're the ones with the problems...yeah...ok....just keep blaming the u.s. As i said its 2005. It time to at least stop living in a world that still fights about stuff that happened 2,005 years ago.

[YogsVR4]

Now that Newsweek has backed off the story and no actual evidence has been found, parts of the world is still going ape shit to look into it. Insane.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

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I have mixed feelings about this. While I can understand that someone could be upset because a book was mistreated, I think there is a whole lot of overreaction going on here. If a piece of mass produced, non unique, printed material - literally a book with hundreds of millions of copies and not the original - is so sacred, you might want to reconsider your priorities.

To anyone who thinks a person should be punished for desecrating a Koran, Bible, Mein Kompf or whatever text you hold sacred, let me know, I've been tearing pages out of each to line my cats litterbox and I don't want to leave anyone out.

Reverence for what a book says and what it means to you, yes. Reverence for a book because of its title?

The bottom line in this case is respect. The middle eastern peoples put great store in it, and when they perceive they have been disrespected they get wound up. I'm surprised that no one saw this angle.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

The bottom line in this case is respect.

Is this similar to the respect that is shown by them when they burn our flag and call us infidels? I would say it is.

The middle eastern peoples put great store in it,

As does everyone. Remember the old saying though...respect is earned not given.

and when they perceive they have been disrespected they get wound up. I'm surprised that no one saw this angle.

The problem is that there are so many other things worthy of getting wound up about in their case that this just seems like a huge waste of energy and lives.

[sivic02]

The thing is most followers of Islam are much stronger in faith and belief than any Christian that most of us are used to here in the US. If you looked outside and saw someone beating your car with a baseball bat you would probably freak out and go outside. To these people this is like our cars are to us(gotta love an automotive forum), it is what they use and follow and practice in every action they do every hour of every day. It is their life not just something to do every sunday because grandma jones says you should.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by sivic02

The thing is most followers of Islam are much stronger in faith and belief than any Christian that most of us are used to here in the US. If you looked outside and saw someone beating your car with a baseball bat you would probably freak out and go outside. To these people this is like our cars are to us(gotta love an automotive forum), it is what they use and follow and practice in every action they do every hour of every day. It is their life not just something to do every sunday because grandma jones says you should.

I disagree. I don't think their faith is any stronger than a Christian. The perspective may be different though. As a Christian our faith is something we live and practice every day also but we do not go through the rituals they do. What we see from them outwardly is the religion part. We don't actually see the faith part usually. As I understand it they believe in gaining a place in heaven by works where as a Christian believes in gaining a place in heaven by grace. So what some percieve as a greater faith because of the works aspect of their particular religion that is shown outwardly does not necessarily translate to a greater faith.

As for the car example...We can easily buy another Bible or just go to a local church and one will be given free to us where a car is an investment that is not as easily replaced. That's why we would go outside . We are protecting our investment. If someone destroys our Bible we know that the Bible isn't where our investment in heaven lies.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Looks like the story may not actually be true. So, fifteen people died during the demonstrations against an act that may not have happened.

This illustrates just how stupid the people involved really are. To get so vexed demonstrates that they are just LOOKING to get vexed!

[fredjacksonsan]

I agree with the perspective that they're just looking for an excuse.


DGB, you're dead on with the comparison about burning the flag, and also with the rest of your post. Respect can't be demanded or expected, but must be earned over time by those that want it.

On the one hand, they haven't earned any respect from the rest of the world. On the other, the US is steadily chipping away at its own respect.



off topic
The Middle Eastern mindset is not the same as that in the West. I am friends with a couple guys from that region - Iran to be specific - and they frequently comment that the US doesn't understand how things work there and going about things the wrong way. /off topic

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

On the one hand, they haven't earned any respect from the rest of the world. On the other, the US is steadily chipping away at its own respect.

Agree

off topic The Middle Eastern mindset is not the same as that in the West. I am friends with a couple guys from that region - Iran to be specific - and they frequently comment that the US doesn't understand how things work there and going about things the wrong way . /off topic

Again I agree.

[Rbraczyk]

[quote=DGB454]I disagree. I don't think their faith is any stronger than a Christian. QUOTE]

So you'll gladly blow yourself up to destroy a mosque in the name of Jesus Christ?

[YogsVR4]

[quote=Rbraczyk]

Originally Posted by DGB454

I disagree. I don't think their faith is any stronger than a Christian.

So you'll gladly blow yourself up to destroy a mosque in the name of Jesus Christ?

What does that have to do with faith?

[sivic02]

Originally Posted by Rbraczyk

So you'll gladly blow yourself up to destroy a mosque in the name of Jesus Christ?

The ones who participate in those "terrorist" actions are religiously misinformed extremists, not faithful patrons. They are wrongfully told that these actions will get them to paradise, which is exactly why most Muslim people are against trying to interpret the Quran into other languages. Take for example Eric Rudolph, he bombed abortion clinics and a lesbian nightclub, he is a Christian terrorist, by doing these actions is he faithful?

[DGB454]

Thanks guys. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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